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I have faith in Grier/Flores judgement but I don't understand why they did it ?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by fastball83, Apr 25, 2020.

  1. fastball83

    fastball83 Active Member

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    Hey from France,

    2 last night I don't sleep to watch the draft like every years and support our beloved dolphins.
    This year, that was the most exiting draft for us since .............always for my part upload_2020-4-25_11-5-18.gif

    I have faith in the Grier/flores combo picks judgement but I can tell that I am disappointed with 2 of our picks and more importantly, I think we wanted others players at this pick but Grier react not with enough reactivity.

    Here is why :
    I really think we wanted Ruiz with our third first rounder.......But the saints pick him !
    my problem is if you study NO saints drafting history, you could see they draft often solid OL in the first round.....so IMO that was predictable.......and we have amno to leapfrog them !!!!!
    this is my first disappointment upload_2020-4-25_11-5-18.gif !!!

    tomorrow the same things was reproduced for Dobbins (and now don't tell me that the RB we will pick will good like Dobbins please) and IMO for Ashtyn Davis picked by the jets and we panicked and picked Brandon Jones but again we have the amno to move up and we don't did it upload_2020-4-25_11-5-18.gif upload_2020-4-25_11-5-18.gif upload_2020-4-25_11-5-18.gif [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    OK it's only my intuition but 3 times......I don't think so and just imagine what would be our OL with Ruiz and our offense with Dobbins.
    Add that we could have picked Noah in the second if coach Flo really liked him.

    see you here for the last days
     
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  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think they wanted Davis not Dobbins with that pick.
     
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  3. Ronnie Bass

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    As soon as Ravens took Dobbins we submitted our pick, if we wanted Dobbins I think we would have used our time allotted to regroup and check our options.
     
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  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Flores liked ecstatic during that selection. Not a guy who looked like they just missed on who they really wanted
     
  5. Ronnie Bass

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    So did Grier.
     
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  6. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    I have some faith in Flores as a coach, however I dont have much faith in grier as a talent evaluator. Too many bonheaded picks and busts over the years to have faith in him. Overall this draft is a mixed bag. I think the best pick so far was Hunt. Worst pick was definitely Jones, if we wanted a safety there we could've had utah's blackmon or clemson's tanner muse with that pick. Both are better safeties than freaking brandon jones.
     
  7. Ronnie Bass

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    You have "some" faith in Flores as a coach? Holy hell, did you watch any of the games this past season?? Good God, what a dumb take.
     
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  8. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Oh excuse me, I'm not ready to anoint him a great coach after one 5 win season.

    He did good with the talent he had, but "dumb" would be to put blind faith in him at this point. He merits some faith, but still needs to do a lot more to convince me he's a great head coach.
     
  9. Ronnie Bass

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    Where did I say he was a great coach (I think he is, but I never said it), but I've seen your act, you hate everything this teams does, should change your username to hateman8.

    Cheers.
     
  10. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    I dont hate everything this team does, I hate a lot of things it does, and for good reason, but I like some things as well, and I'm not afraid to say so either way. Don't get your panties in a bunch about it, It's just a message board.

    Cheers,
     
  11. Ronnie Bass

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    You could have fooled me champ.
     
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  12. Losferwords

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    Its obvious to me now that Grier is an imbecile and is THE primary reason our drafts have been so poor over the years.

    Dude's been around 20 years and... surprise surprise... we've been inept at drafting for all 20 of those years.
     
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  13. Phin McCool

    Phin McCool Well-Known Member

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    This ^ and today's trade for Matt Breida would just about confirm it.
     
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  14. danmarino

    danmarino Let's go Brandon Club Member

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    The irony is just too great....lmao
     
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  15. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    So leave. Bye.
     
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  16. my 2 cents

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    Hitman has a point....Flores was 5-11........you are what your record is.....now he did earn some goodwill because he had a **** team with **** talent....but he has to keep improving the results and moving the right direction to be declared the answer. We should be encouraged but long way to go fellas....and Hitman and I agree on very little from what I see in the few days I have been back.....
     
  17. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I'd throw a bit of caution. I've seen people talking up playoffs for instance. While that's a fine goal, I think we should be OK with a lesser performance as well. Now, going backwards would be hard to handle, but if we go 7-9, with a strong finish, keep seeing player development and playing hard? I think that's still a good season.

    This is still a process, they didn't go all in and load up for a run. They are still building a foundation and letting it cure.
     
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  18. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    To answer you OP, i agree with you, i think Ruiz was our guy, and assumed he would falls to us. However with Ruiz being a center, we probably didn't think they would draft another one since they drafted Erik McCoi (ironically Saints gave us our extra 2 this year for picking McCoy last year). I am reading today Saints might move McCoy to guard. Maybe the Dolphins would know that, maybe not.

    It really depends if 1) they had Ruiz as the next highest rated player or not. Maybe they didn't, or had him and several other players slotted around the same.

    Also, and i might catch flak for this, but Breida for a 5th > Dobbins for a 2nd
     
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    If you want to be pedantic sure, however, he beat one of the better teams in the league with a payroll that was on the field less than $30 million dollars. I believe the amount was $22 million. While the other team had over $130 million dollar payroll on the field.

    I am at the point where I believe in Flores and will need to see him fail to think otherwise.
     
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  20. mooseguts

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    I am hopeful Flores is the guy but I'm not ready to say he is the answer quite yet. I'm sure many here thought Sparano was the answer after that 11-5 season and I'm sure many thought Gase was the answer after that 10-6 season. I'm gonna wait and see with Flores.
     
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  21. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I dont have tons of faith in him either. I, and others, predicted 5 wins before last year began if Fitz started. Doing what I expected doesnt get you extra points.

    The fact that he had the team entirely unprepared and embarrassing itself early on is on him, it doesnt make the end of the season any better to me. You dont get to poop the bed and then take credit for hosing it down.

    Hes definitely a motivator, but as far as scheme or innovation, which it will take to win a division or Superbowl, we have proven less than nothing.

    I dont think it's wrong to be lukewarm on our staff. Not everyone is so easily impressed in life that a bad season that went exactly as expected makes us have total faith in a coach.

    Youd think Flores cured cancer. Every game we won minus NE we had a QB or talent advantage in. We didnt do anything great or worthy of praise.

    When we actually do something positive I'll have faith in our staff. Until then, I see no change from the first year of previous regime.

    In fact I'd go as far as to say I have no more faith in Flores than I did Philbin or Gase after year one. Not because he is terrible like them but because their first years IMO brought just as much "hope".
     
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  22. Ronnie Bass

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    Are you joking with this take? No disrespect but this is the dumbest thing I've read on this board in a long time.

    I mean "When we actually do something positive I'll have faith in this staff"?? Where in the holy hell were you the last game of the season?? :lol:
     
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  23. Bumrush

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    He should rename himself a guy named grinch :D
     
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  24. Surfs Up 99

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    Sadly, I don't think he is.
     
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  25. hitman8

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    Here comes the thought police resorting to insults when somebody dares not be absolutely thrilled about the dolphins.

    He is entitled to his opinion, and he has good reasons for them which he stated. You dont have to insult him and imply he is dumb because you might not agree.
     
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  26. rafael

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    I think Sparano could have been successful especially if he ever found a QB. His teams were tough and well coached and the players played hard for him. Now Sparano was probably never going to be one of those great coaches, but he would have been solid. Outside of maybe that wildcat game, I don't recall coming out of a game feeling that our coaches had out-coached the opposition.

    With Flores we're seeing the same things. Tough and well coached teams that play hard for their coach. But I think we're seeing more signs of Flores being special. I felt our team beat NE at the end of last season in large part b/c we out-coached them. I think NE won the SB over the Rams b/c Flores' defensive game plan was better than McVie's offensive game plan. (I know some will want to give all the credit to BB, but from what I heard it was very much Flores who orchestrated that plan, particularly in the redzone). My expectation going forward is that we'll rarely be out-coached and more often out-coach the opposition. I also think that Flores has done a very good job with his staff. Unlike Gase, Flores seems very comfortable bringing in great coaches and actually listening to them. I do think that's why we lost a couple of coaches this year to poaching. He also seems to put an emphasis on teaching and I'm seeing players develop much more than I have in a long time in Miami. That gives me hope that we'll develop that 'next man up' pipeline like NE has been able to do for so long.
     
  27. Ronnie Bass

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    I actually think this Alex guy might be an account created by you. That was my first take reading his post.
     
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  28. hitman8

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    Lol, no sorry. Have no idea who he is. He just seems to be an independent critical thinker who is not afraid to go against the thought police in here.
     
  29. Ronnie Bass

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    "Independent critical thinker"

    :sidelol:
     
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  30. mooseguts

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    Eagles have Carson Wentz who is leaps and bounds better than Fitz and they went 9-7 this year so they definitely have more talent than us.

    The Colts have Jacoby Brisset who had himself a pretty decent season, I'd say it's a about even as far as QB. Out side of QB that have an all pro LB an all pro G a pro bowl talent WR and pro bowl talent TE. They also ranked 7th in rushing yards. So again they had the talent advantage over us.

    So minus NE, the Colts, and the Eagles.
     
  31. mooseguts

    mooseguts Well-Known Member

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    How am I the thought police and who did I insult?
     
  32. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    That wasn't directed at you. It was directed at Ronnie Bass who suggested not being totally sold on Flores is somehow dumb.

    Your quote was included with his but I have no problem with your take. I actually agree with you.
     
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  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is funny how people only use the term, "Independent Critical thinkers" for people who think exactly like them.
     
  34. Ronnie Bass

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    You need to work on your reading comprehension skills for I took umbrage at Alex on him still being skeptical on Flores, not Grier.
     
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  35. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Lol, I know perfectly well you were talking about Flores, mixed up the names, my point still stands. You shouldn't be suggesting people are dumb just because they are not yet sold on Flores.
     
  36. Ronnie Bass

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    I didn't say he was dumb, I said his take was dumb. And it was very dumb.
     
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  37. KeyFin

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    I mentioned playoffs a few days ago- scratch that idea, LOL. We took all developmental players and it's going to be a work in progress. I'm not saying we CAN'T get there by December but I wouldn't bet on it either. I think the goals for this upcoming season are-

    #1- To actually have a season (whatever that looks like)
    #2- To exceed the 5-win mark
    #3- To improve in major metrics (rushing, rush D, pass D, sacks, pressures, etc.)
    #4- To see growth in rookies and the same well-coached/disciplined team

    Maybe we win 10 games...it would be amazing and all, but I think the 6-8 win mark is more realistic. And again, who knows if we even play 16 games this season...so much is still unknown. It's actually a great year for rebuilding since this will largely be a throwaway year due to the virus.

    For me, I'm more worried about having a college season so we can have a draft next year! Imagine if they don't have college football and give seniors another season of eligibility....then what? There's nobody to draft.
     
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  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    If they play sound football 10 games isn't that big of a deal. I think the difference between most 6 win teams and most 10 win teams is a few ball bounces.
     
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  39. danmarino

    danmarino Let's go Brandon Club Member

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    Is he in your PM's threatening to "beat the **** out of you" yet? Lmao!
     
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  40. Ronnie Bass

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    No, I haven't had the pleasure yet.
     
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