We will also make the playoffs if:

#7 We kidnap the entire Packers team and force them to play for us.

 

#8 If 10 other AFC teams quit the NFL

 

#7. Oklahoma State didn't win a Championship; therefore they will not win a Super Bowl either. :shifty:



Cmon man, Josh Cooper & Jamie Blatnick lumped in with your #1 and #2 reasons? They'll be lucky to make a scout team.





Lulz at your attempt to make the Dolphins into Ok State 2.0.

 

When did the poorhouse get computers and internet?

 

So pretty much we will make the playoffs if we fill all of our holes somehow. Gotcha.

 

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7: we make the marquee trade in #1 yet somehow keep all of our draft picks for the other points???

 

#7. If we manage to sign the aliens from Space Jam who then manage to steal the talents of players and coaches from top tier teams.

 

If Dan Marino finds the Hot Tub Time Machine!

 

#2012 If the end of the world predictions are true and all players from the Jets,Patriots and Bills get crushed by a 60ft Wave.

 

Alright guys there are some serious counting issues here. You can't ALL post fact #7. We are on #13, shoot for it.

 

#13. Ginn's family finally starts to pull their weight.

 

While I admire the optimism of aquiring key players in the draft, there is one fact that many overlook when it comes to NFL rookies.

Great college players are great player due partially to the individual talent they possess, but more so, due to the lack of talent they face overall.

Consider the college quarterback. There have been some GREAT college quarterbacks that never realized success in the NFL. Todd Blackledge for example in the 1983 NFL Draft. He was selected by Kansas City as the second quarterback taken in that draft, ahead of Kenny O'Brien, ahead of Jim Kelly, ahead of Dan Marino. Blackledge was in the '83 draft what many are considering Robert Griffin to be in this year's draft...the NEXT best thing behind the number one overall (Elway/Luck).

But Blackledge never realized success in the NFL. Why? It's actually pretty simple. When, let's say Matt Moore lines up under center, he is facing off against 11 NFL caliber defensive players. When for example Andrew Luck lines up under center at Stanford, he is facing off against maybe 4 or 5 NFL cliber defensive players. The same is said for great college receiver, any great college running back, etc, etc. The caliber of their competition at the NCAA level is by far less than that of the competition they will face iin the NFL.

This is why so many rookies never realize their dream of being an NFL star. Now of all the players you listed that you want Miami to draft, maybe one...maybe two will become big impact players in the NFL, but to assume that every player is going to make an immediate, substantial and long term impact in the NFL is just naive.

There are 32 teams in the NFL. There are 7 rounds in the draft, that's 224 players to be selected not to mention and compensatory picks awarded to teams. Not everyone makes it. Not everyone drafted makes it.

YOu have high hopes for some of the players you listed and I'm glad you have that enthusiasm. I have high hopes for Landry Jones in the NFL and think he's going to be a sleeper in the league, although I gave up arguing for him when it seemed like I was the captain of a one man cheerleading team. Maybe Jones will make it as I hope, maybe he won't. Maybe the players you want us to draft will make it in the NFL, maybe they won't.

Just dont have unrealistic expectations. Rookies very rarely have a first year impact on a team, let alone a long term successful career.

 

hahah your passion is much appreciated ^...seriously... but this thread was getting funny until you wrote an essay with draft analysis and historical references on a rookies impact lmao

 

The only way this team makes the playoffs is if they draft Melvin Ingram in the first round and he has 15 sacks and Cam Wake has 15 sacks. In other words this team's only chance this year will be a dominant defense.

 

Have you even watched tape of Tannehill? U must be another one that just listens to what other Dolphin "fans" complain about. You would rather have Weeden who is about to be 30 next year and doesnt even fit the offense we are about to run??? Thats just dumb. Tannehill has a lot of Philip Rivers in him, he would need a year or two to develop but thats fine. Hes a perfect fit for our offense, athletic, smart, strong arm, tough, good leader, accurate (still improving). You dont know if someone is going to turn out a good QB or not so stop trying to act like you know Weeden is better. Did everyone know Aaron Rodgers was going to be this good? I think he went mid-20's if im not mistaken. Its true with Madden and Fantasy Football theres 1000000000 GMs out there now and everyones plan is the best. haha what a joke

 

Hmm, does it count if "guarantee" is misspelled?

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-Garrard plays to his 2010 form
-Daniel Thomas shows why Ireland drafted him
-find a complimentary passrusher to Wake

What would be really great is if we can find a Safety who generates turnovers.

 

Coffee spit out all over keyboard...WINNER /close thread

 

Well keep in mind:

-Qb situation has improved
-RT situation has improved (by subtraction)
-Wr position has been down graded

Of those three factors, Wr is probably the toughest to fix this offseason BUT maybe Clay and Hartline blossom this yr, so there are some answers on the roster.

Defense is in transition, and probably needs some pieces at DE and Safety unless Misi and Jones or Hit Man Wilson fill the role.

Would love to see Jim Wilson at Safety, he is undersized but I suspect he has some Bob Sanders in his game.

 

Whats a turnover Padre? I think the backfield believes its something to eat.

 

What's this week lotto #?

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My buddy who doesn't follow the phins was watching preseason last year when Wilson was in and said he looked like Sanders. I would think he will probably have put on 5 lbs since last year just from being a pro.

Jones-Wilson
Davis-Smith-Marshall
Dansby-Burnett
Wake-Starks-Solai-Odrick

That could be a really good stating lineup if Jones and Wilson step up. But we need good safety play but I think its time for VD and SS to step up to help taken sine pressure off the safeties And we need aother passrusher, that's obvious

 

Our new west coast style says that no receiver will be specifically outside or in the slot at all times. Green Bay has average receivers but a great QB. The QB makes the receivers look good. We don't have that as of yet. I also do not have faith that the Defense will be as good as it was last year with the changes taking place. Even with an excellent draft, I wouldnt be surprised if we do not improve this season. The games just being more fun to watch and the team having a sense of direction would be enough for me. Hopefully the team exceeds my expectations and we are all pleasantly surprised.

 

I'd hesitate to call either Jennings or Finley "average". Jennings is top 10 and Finley can make an argument for top 5

 

Have Henne throw to them and then we can talk. They are what they are because of the QB. Different system also. I just care to differ all the way around. Rodgers and the west coast would make Fasano a super hero.

 

Tell that to Jennings, Finley, and Nelson.
Better yet, tell that to the guys trying to cover them..... or the DC trying to stop them.
Or even better than that, tell it to Rodgers himself. :wink2:

One big hole in your theory is:
If they "are who they are b/c of the QB", then GB wouldn't have felt the need to use FOUR 2nd rounders and a 3rd rounder at WR since drafting Aaron Rodgers. Duh. And if you date back a little further, they wouldn't have used a 1st on TE Bubba Franks & WR Javon Walker.
It's a symbiotic relationship. Talented WRs & TEs allow a great QB to reach his maximum potential, and a great QB allows talented WRs & TEs to reach theirs. Show me a list of elite playing QBs who didn't have a good to great surrounding cast. At least 3 names if you can find them.

:huh:
really? So it doesn't matter if he doesn't fit the system, just plug him in and watch him become a super hero? :huh:

You know what blows a bigger shotgun hole in your theory? The fact the Packers signed Finley to $15 MILLION for 2 years.
That's $7.5M per season.
That's $2.1 million MORE than the TE franchise tender of $5.4M.

So either you're right and the Packers are really really stupid for spending all those high picks on WR and big money on Finley.... or you're wrong and the Packers are right. Considering the Packers' success, SB title, and production of these specific players, I'm inclined to go with you being wrong.



And if that's not enough, there's always WR, Robert Ferguson.
If the great QB of a WCO makes the WR, then there should be no excuse for Ferguson's mediocre NFL numbers considering he was a 2nd rounder b/c Favre and that system should've made him look like a super hero.

 

How good are they with Henne throwing to them under our old system? Is it possible that we do not know exactly what we have yet?

 

I'm not arguing with that part of your belief b/c Gates was a rookie and an obviously raw one at that. I think we know what we have in Bess & Hartline; however, I don't know that anyone can say they won't be effective in Philbin's offense since there's obviously some redeeming qualities about them. Wallace has some nice natural ability, so it's not inconceivable to think he could have a breakout year just as undrafted Victor Cruz went from no catches to being a production stud in a blink of an eye. Personally, I wouldn't count on any of it, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

 

IMHO (which I think history strongly supports), the more talented the QB you have, the more you should focus on getting him enough surrounding talent in order to fully maximize his talent and get the most production out of him.

Believing the opposite is almost like saying, "This engine is so great & high performing that I don't need to give it good gas or change the oil routinely b/c it'll still run better than a normal engine w/o all that stuff."...... followed by, "My Corvette doesn't perform like it could but it's still faster than your Mustang." Bologna. That's backwards logic.

You don't buy a Z06 Vette with the intention of giving it cheap 87 gas, a low quality air filter, crappy tires, and basic oil changes so that you can drive it below it's optimum capability (potential), even if that happens to still be higher than what most cars operate at. You buy it b/c you want performance, all $76,000 worth of performance, and you hopefully understand that it needs high octane gas, a good air filter, quality oil changes, and an expensive set of tires in order to get every penny of that $76,000. A great QB is the same way.

 

Well Todd I think no matter who your QB is you have to try and surround them with maximum talent. In other words I don't think you pass on a stud receiver or tight end because you don't believe your QB can properly utilize them. You have to try and improve your team in every way no matter what.

 

I'm curious, what would you expect to gain from that? So we change the QB, to a backup and the offensive system and we get different results and then we'd say its the system we just changed from that makes the difference? I guess the fact we just changed everything has nothing to do with it.

Have Chad Henne throw to just about anyone and I'm sure it will make a difference.

 

But you still have to buy the Vette (QB) first. Its pretty stupid to buy the high octane gas, racing tires, etc. if you don't have the vette yet.

 

The problem is that in the NFL you dont know whether you actually have a Vette or not until years AFTER you've paid the price for it. Most of the so called Vettes turn out to be Hyandais and Kia's or perhaps not even that.

 

Which is why its even more vital to keep the high draft picks for finding the Vette instead of blowing it on octane boost, so you're left holding a bottle of something completely useless while someone else drives away in your potential Vette.

 

I agree, but if you have a stud QB, you might want to try a little harder and exhaust more resources in surrounding him with that maximum talent.

If you have just an average QB, I don't think it'd be wise using an entire draft giving him weapons at the expense of the rest of the team. However, with an elite QB, you'd want to spend a draft getting him weapons even at the expense of the rest of the team because the net impact can still be greater.

If you have an average QB and a defense on the verge of being elite, it'd be a poor move IMO to give your average QB the best receiver in the draft when you can instead give your near elite defense the draft's best pass rusher (of equal ability to the WR). It might make the QB a little better but it won't get the most out of your WR or maximize the money or high pick you invested in him, therefore your net impact isn't maximized. However, a great pass rusher added to a near elite defense can maximize the net impact of both. So, yes, you want to surround every QB with maximum talent, but IMO the parameters for doing so can change based on the circumstances.

 

Wasn't that kind of implied? If I have a quality but not elite performance car, I'm still gonna want to give it decent gas, tires, etc.... maybe not prioritized like with the Vette, but I'd still take care of and it try to get the most production I could provided it's not at the expense of another area of the team that might have a greater impact on wins-losses.

 

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