I'd take any of the top 4 GB WR's over any of ours

Interesting question. Would anyone take any of Miami's WRs over Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones or Randall Cobb?

 

So would Philbin, that's why we need to steal Jennings.

 

Doubt if Aaron Rodgers could have much success with Heartline or Bess it would make Rodgers look like a mediocre QB no way either one of those two could help him.

Can't wait till next season I know there will be help added at WR for Tannehill in 2013.

 

As much as I agree I do not feel Cobb or Nelson are #1 WRs, and that is our biggest weakness. They would be upgrades yes, but we would still be in need of a #1 threat at WR

 

Jordy Nelson was absolutely dominating last season, how was he not a #1?

 

Me first....NO.

 

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Are any of GB's receivers perhaps missing a leg or a hand in this scenario b/c that might influence my decision?

 

Yes, the Packers have a great foursome at WR, one of the best ever seen perhaps.... and we were thin this year..... what makes you think a rookie is going to be better than any of the 4 packers Wrs are this year ? If we want to upgrade the position right now we have to sign a proven player.

 

No but Jennings may be missing a Packers jersey.

 

Check Nelson's numbers from last season. Cobb has definitely played like a number 1 target this season.

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I'd still take a shirtless Jennings over our guys.

 

Yes he had a great year last year, but so did a lot of the GB WRs. That and the fact that Rodgers went crazy last year throwing for a lot of yards. If you we're to take Nelson out of the talented WR corps of GB and put him in Miami, he would not have that kind of production. He is a very good #2 but he is not an Alpha receiver like that of many other teams around the NFL who have true alpha receivers.

 

If Nelson is a #2 in your eyes, what number is Hartline? #4? #5?

 

With just his numbers last year Nelson is a #1, but when you add in the variables he is a low-end #1 to a #2. I agree last season he was amazing but I do not define him as a #1. To me a full alpha receiver is a guy who strikes fear into the opponents eyes and can still get in a lot of catches after being double covered. I did not see many GB games last year but from comparing his stats to that of the other receivers, the ball seemed to be spread out and so he probably was covered more on single coverage. Having that said, I would rate Hartline as a #3 receiver. I know my #1 receiver is way too stringent, but that is just the way I see it. With just Nelson added to our WR I do not see us seeing our WR position as complete or with a strong #1.

 

What about Cobb this season?

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I think an argument can be made for Hartline over Jones, but not the other 3.

 

Jordy Nelson when healthy is a difference maker. That's all there is to it.

 

lol my thoughts exactly....

 

......#6? #7? unemployed?

 

....a right guard?

 

Also had a good season yes, but he had half the touchdowns that Jones did. I could compare the two in yardage, which Cobb has the edge by 150 yards, but it is less than Hartline. Everyone on these forums do not acknowledge Hartline's success because of his lack of TDs, so that creates the TDs as a key component when measuring #1 WRs. Jones has Cobb beat and yes there are a lot of intangibles but I see Cobb's success this year, and Nelson's last year as more of Rodgers spreading out the ball and throwing for a lot of yards. This year defenses focused more on Nelson and he became the 3rd best WR in GB in terms of production. I would expect the the same downfall for Cobb next year.

 

1 TD compared to 14 this season

 

what argument? Jones is as fast if not faster, bigger, stronger, can actually break tackles, a better route runner and has better hands.

 

I don't agree with Jones as being faster, a better route runner or having better hands.

 

He had more touchdowns than anyone. Does that make him the best in the NFL?

 

It's a shame we did not pull off that trade for Jones, they where talking back and forth. We offered a 3rd and they wanted a 2nd, if I remember right?

 

Call me crazy but Nelson had about 3/4 of the yardage that Hartline got this year and he had Rodgers throwing him the ball. Sure the ball is spread out in GB but Nelsom was the 3rd most productive and a key reason is that there was no competition in 4th place. He had one good season but he did not produce enough to be a #1 this season.

 

No, but 14 is a heck of a lot better than 1. If the difference was 5 to 1 or 10 to 14 sure it could be negotiated, but 14 to 1? Too big of a gap. Between this season and last the comparison is 21 to 2 TDs, you cannot tell me Hartline is better.

 

I'm not but there is an argument for it. You can't look just at TDs. It's not a good measurement, IMO.

Jones had 14 touchdowns to Andre Johnson's 4. Would you say he is better than him?

 

Ok agreed to the TDs not being the only factor, but Jones has been the most reliable WR for the Packers these last two seasons combined. That consistency is very key in a WR and I doubt that if Hartline was to be replaced with Jones in GB, that he would be that consistent

 

No.

 

Would you say Andre's 4 TDs to Hartline 1 TD make them debatable just because Andre has 3 more? Jones as a 4 put up numbers that I would take over hartline as a 1

 

Fine, you're crazy. lol.
Nelson has been banged up this year, but if the stats say Hartline had more yards then he must be the better receiver.

Not sure that's a point I'd be bringing to the forefront when defending Hartline (or comparing him to Jordy). Again, Nelson missed 4 games this year (might as well have been 5) and was dinged up much of the year.... but he still had 745 yards and 7 TDs. What does that extrapolate to for 16 games? 1084 yards & 10 TDs. And that's in an offense with twice the amount of viable targets than what Miami had all year.

 

That could be the case. Like I said, there could be an argument Hartline is better. You can also make an argument for Jones, too. Both are good receivers.

 

Simple answer. Hell no.



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Not to say they'd be terrible without him but they do have the quarterback with the best career QB rating of ALL TIME throwing to them.

 

He's not faster than Hartline. I agree with you on that. Probably a tossup on route running. Give you that too. Hands is a tricky issue. Jones is known for dropping easy passes. Hartline's always had his share of those but not as many as Jones. So that's an argument in Hartline's favor. However, Jones also regularly pulls down difficult and physically challenged catches whereas Brian Hartline rarely does. Hartline makes nice grabs on the sidelines and has great concentration to get his toes down. But Jones is able to make physically contested catches that Brian Hartline almost never does.

So really all three of those aspects are kind of a wash between the two. Hartline slightly faster, both about the same as route runners, Jones drops easy ones at a little higher rate but also catches physically challenged balls far more often.

Where I think James Jones separates himself from Brian Hartline is in his pure physicality and ability to run with the football after the catch. That's why from 2009 to 2012, James Jones has 34 touchdowns on 313 passes thrown his direction, compared to Brian Hartline's 6 touchdowns on 306 passes thrown his direction. The more versatile and physical player is going to tend to punch the ball into the end zone more often.

 

As mentioned before I have not seen a lot of GB games this year so I did not know about the injury, but I still see Jones as the better receiver between the two and Nelson as a #2 WR. And as for the other part, I was not trying to use that to defend Hartline, but simply to show how differently Nelson produced last year and this year. If it weren't for injury, Jennings would have played more and his stats would be strong as well putting Nelson somewhere between #2-4 as a WR on the team. He was injured and didn't at a #1 level. I won't sit here and play "what ifs" given he played 12 games. (Retracting my Jennings statement of course). Do you honestly think if Nelson was in Miami we would no longer be in need of a #1 WR?

But what do I know, I am crazy