I'd take any of the top 4 GB WR's over any of ours

That point is a little weak when the disparity is between 14 touchdowns and only 1 touchdown. If it were 14 touchdowns to 9 touchdowns, ok I get it.

 

Again, a point that looks weak when you consider that Andre Johnson had 1600 yards receiving this year to Jones' 783 yards receiving. Hartline obviously made up SOME ground on the 14:1 TD ratio by catching for 300 more yards than Jones, but Andre Johnson caught for 800 more yards. And then consider that Andre Johnson has 24 touchdowns over the last 4 years to Jones' 34 touchdowns. Is there a disparity there? Sure. But Andre also has 5100 yards over that time period to Jones' 2800 yards. Big difference there.

 

I think pulling down the more physical catches falls in the strength category for Jones.

I don't like using touchdowns to compare players but I don't agree that Jones has more touchdowns because he's better than Hartline. I honestly think the main reason Jones has more touchdowns than Hartline is the QB situation. It's tough to score when you're playing with Henne/a rookie QB your entire career. Jones had the benefit of Rodgers.

I can agree with the YAC, though. That could give Jones the edge. Like I said an argument can be made for either receiver. I don't think Jones is clearly superior to Hartline. The other 3 are, IMO.

 

You call James Jones a #4 wide receiver but in actuality he took 1023 snaps this year and the next closest wide receiver Randall Cobb took 651 snaps.

 

Same argument can be made between any receiver. Johnson had 4 touchdowns. Reggie Wayne had 5. Witten had 3. I wouldn't say Jones had better seasons than them.

 

Hartline played with Henne and Tannehill.

Jones had Rodgers. Johnson had Schaub. You're Kirby to yourself if you don't think that has an impact on the players.

 

Fair enough, but I would note that in the two games James Jones played with Matt Flynn, whom most Dol-fans I'm assuming yourself included are quite glad was not the starter in Miami this year...Jones still had a touchdown in one of those games. Took Brian Hartline 16 games with Tannehill to get 1 touchdown. Only took James Jones 2 games with Flynn to get a touchdown.

 

Course it has an impact but 34 touchdowns to 6 touchdowns on the same number of throws? Come on. You're being unreasonable if you think that's JUST the quarterback play.

 

Yes. GB doesn't have a "true" #1 in the strict sense but they seem to do just fine with a highly talented quartet.

 

I think the combination of Henne at QB and having Marshall on the other side can have that big of an impact.

But like I said, that's arguing for touchdowns. I don't think using that is a good measurement for comparing players.

 

Alright your opinion, and I shouldn't argue with it, we all have our opinions. But I will firmly stand to say that Nelson is not a #1 WR, and he wouldn't have as much success with Tannehill than he has with Rodgers. And I agree they don't have a true #1 which is way I look at consistency with them, and Jones has been the most consistent these last 2 seasons

 

Actually it took Hartline 4 games.

 

you're high if you believe that. Rodgers is close to the number one qb if not the number one qb in the nfl right now.

 

Witten? The tight end? That's kind of trying to slip in an apples and oranges comparison in order to beef up your argument.

 

Agree. Jones is a decent bad ball receiver and, as you mentioned, can make the contested catch. IE: not all his TDs are all from Rodgers giving him perfect throws.
Hartline not only is terrible bad ball receiver but is just about as bad at making the contested grab and has inferior downfield tracking ability, and considering roughly 200+ passes aren't completed by each QB, that's a LOT of missed opportunities with Hartline on passes that aren't perfectly thrown, especially when a QB is under duress or doesn't have a clean passing lane.

 

Matt Flynn has looked good in exactly two regular season games in the NFL.

 

You really, really, really missed the point. But if it's that important, sub out Witten and put in Steve Smith. He had 4 touchdowns last season.

 

No, it took 16 games. Well, 15 games if you don't count the Jets game where Moore took most of the snaps. But then, Hartline went 14 games with Matt Moore and didn't catch a single touchdown. Caught only 4 touchdowns in 32 games with Chad Henne.

 

That's still twice as many as Hartline & Bess.

 

He caught a touchdown in the 4th game of the season is what I meant. It was more of a joke. I know what you meant.

 

But 10 less than Jones. Who's better?

 

Hard to say now that Steve Smith is 33 and Jones has come into his own this year.
Smith's 4 TDs does nothing to support an argument for rationalizing Hartline's 1 TD.

 

Sure.

 

I'd like to point out that during our 7 wins Hartline averaged a mere 3.7 catches for 45.3 yards and 0 TDs.
Jones averaged 4.1 catches for 49 yards, and 10 TDs during GB wins.

The stats seem like Hartline wasn't much of a contributing factor in our wins, which is disturbing considering he was our "top" 2012 target with little competition to steal opportunities from. Meanwhile Jones has 10 TDs during GB's 11 wins despite competing with Cobb, Nelson, and Company.

 

Thanks.

 

welcome

 

That's right! Those 2300 extra yards by Johnson surely led to more points by other players. They also had to sustain more drives to kill the game clock which also means less points for the opponents.

 

yes there is one man who would take our guys over Nelson ,Jones and Cobb and the answer is Drumroll please , Jeff Ireland