If a legit Top 10 prospect somehow fell to 15th then we could trade back. Also there are four quality tackles. One or two of them will rise to the status of franchise left tackle by draft day and could be there at 15. But despite what Ireland said (I don't believe a word this time of year) I remain focused on the idea that we should trade up not down and finally get a QB.

 

The best way would be to trade from our DE depth, but obviously there would have to be a CBA. The most likely option would be moving down from 15 like last year.

 

According to the trade value chart we could trade #15 to Baltimore (#26), Atlanta (#27), or Chicago (#29) for their 1st and 2nd.

The Ravens would be interested in Prince Amukamara, Aldon Smith, Cameron Jordan, and Adrian Clayborn.

The Falcons would be interested Julio Jones, Cameron Jordan, Adrian Clayborn, Nate Solder, Tyron Smith, Anthony Castonzo, or Derek Sherrod.

The Bears would be interested in Prince Amukamara, Julio Jones, Nate Solder, Tyron Smith, Anthony Castonzo, or Derek Sherrod.

But as I said before I hope we trade up not down.

 

Personally I wouldn't do that. I don't want to move out of the 1st round completely and if I did a future 1 or at least a better package than that had better be coming back. And it's not like the Chargers have an early 2nd anyway. You'd be moving from the 15th pick to the 50th pick and only get the 60th pick in exchange? Not worth it at all IMO. The Dolphins would like a 2nd, but not at that expense. 1st rounders are much more valuable than 2nd rounders (obviously). So in no way would I sacrifice a 1st to pick up what's almost a 3rd.

And it's not like the Dolphins have had a whole lot of success in the 2nd round. Under this regime the 1st round has landed the Dolphins Jake Long, Vontae Davis, and Jared Odrick. All 3 pretty good players (we obviously only got a glimpse of Odrick, but he looked good when he was there) Long is already a perrenial Pro Bowler and IMO the other two have a chance at the Pro Bowl at some point. In the 2nd they've gotten Phillip Merling, Chad Henne, Pat White, Sean Smith, and Koa Misi. Potentially 3 of those 5 players will be gone by 2012 and while Smith and Misi might have a shot at the Pro Bowl eventually, their ceiling is probably good but not great players.

 

I'd rather get one Pro Bowl caliber player than 2 starters. This team isn't close to contending for a SB so let's try and pick up quality players while we have the chance. If the QBs are gone or the Dolphins feel whichever one is left will not pan out and they are stuck on 15 then IMO you either take a guy like Ingram who should be a stud HB for a while and would instantly make the offense better or you think about one of the tackles and kick Carey inside.

I don't think you need to bank on a team with two 2nd round picks though when looking for a trade partner. If a team likes a player enough they're going to pay to get him. That's what the Chargers did last year for Matthews. There will be some very good players there at 15 no matter how the top 14 picks fall.

 

I agree that those are the three teams to target for a trade. Of course, the 2nd round pick we get would be at the end of the second round. I wouldn't mind seeing if we could get #36 and #46 away from Denver. Based on the trade value chart, the 15th pick is worth 1050 and the 36th and 46th picks combined are worth 980.

 

Broncos throw in Orton and done deal :up:

 

Yeah pod I know all about the CBA stuff but if I would like to see Orton here if we move out of the 15.
KB had the best idea I've seen yet with the Denver scenario.

 

We have the 15th pick. To me if Denver enters the arena it's what they would give us not the other way around. As KB said the value of that pick is close to Denver's 36 and 46. No need for us to think about trading Sean Smith. :up:

 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think bringing in two starters upgrades the team all that much. How much better will Leshoure be than Ronnie Brown? Wisniewski over Berger/Incognito? They're probably upgrades, but by how much? I'd rather greatly upgrade at one position this year and next year greatly upgrade at the next.

 

To heck with the trade chart.

Some of the teams picking early in the 1st will pass on a QB even though they need one.

I'd settle with taking one of their early 2nds, early 3rd, and maybe a player, future pick, or 5th.

My first pick would then be either Rudolph, Ryan Williams, Pouncey, Wisniewski, or one of the top tier tackles if they should fall.
The top of the 3rd would be Jernigan or Titus Young.

 

I respectfully disagree with this. Our Dline, including the entire rotation, is the strength of our defense. It all starts with our dline, so IMO the last thing we should be doing is weakening our strength to try and build up another area.

 

I'd entertain the idea of going RT in the first and trading Carey and a future pick to acquire a 2nd.

 

Ingram alone would do wonders for the running game. Then either address OG in FA or next season and in the long run your team is better off. JMO.

 

Well, I respect your opinion. I just think when you have a DE rotation of Starks, Langford, McDaniel, Odrick, and Merling, 5 guys who are all capable starters and potentially above average to very good starters you can afford to move one. Eventually your going to have to anyway because you won't be able to afford them all.

 

Or if a legitimate top 10 player fell to 15 we could select him.

I think far too much is made of "needing" to acquire that 2nd round pick , sure it could be fruitful , but it cold also be a mistake to pass up a big time difference maker . Depth is a positive , but not as much as elite talent imo.

 

Maybe it's better, considering our track record, that we don't even sniff the 2nd round this year.

 

I wasn't even thinking about Merling, but if you want to move him, then be my guest. lol.

And Odrick, too. I've mentioned trading him as well and would take a 3rd for him if we could get it. I thought you were speaking of possibly Langford or Starks, which I'd then have to veto. :tongue2:

 

I honestly don't think that stuff will factor much into FA. Guys want to play in a city like Miami and guys want to get paid. We already saw Kevin Smith with the "tell Miami to come get me" thing.

 

I wouldn't trade Odrick. I think he will be the best of all of them and I think he will end up being a very good pick at the end of the 1st round when it's all said and done. I think when you factor in performance, your best bet to get good value while still being able to replace their value will be McDaniel or Starks.