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If Alex Smith, why not Chad Henne?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jsizzle, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    Smith has been in the league since 2005 and has largely been considered a bust for a first overall pick. Let's be honest, he was HORRIBLE for 3 years. Henne was drafted in the 2nd round 2 years later and is considered a bust by most fans. But look at Alex Smith now. Isn't it interesting what a GOOD coach can do for a BAD QB? I see more out of Henne at the same stage in his career than ANYBODY saw in Alex Smith. Now I guarantee some of the Henne haters will say that they believed in Smith for the last 4 years, but they would be liars. Fact is, a great coach can make a great QB. I still think we should keep Henne on the cheap and get a REAL coach for the first time in YEARS. If you disagree, go back and watch the New England game this year. He made all the throws and if we had half a defense in that game, we would have won. I think it is too early to give up on him, and I promise the 49ers fans who wanted Alex Smith gone 3 years ago are glad it didn't happen.

    Ok, let the hate begin! :up:
     
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  2. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Because they're two different people with two entirely different skill sets and potential?

    It took Alex Smith 7 years and some of the best coaching available to become merely serviceable. Chad Henne will have neither.
     
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  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    If Alex Smith, why not Matt Moore?
     
  4. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    Nobody ever mentioned Smith's potential before. In fact he lost his job to SHAUN HILL. That's the bottom of the barrel. Harbaugh is the difference. His specialty is working developing QBs. We need a coach like that. Alex Smith is living proof to not give up on a QB early. I hope we keep Henne and Moore and let them battle for a REAL coach who actually knows about the QB position.
     
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  5. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Because Dolphin fans are too impatient for development. They want instant Marino. If they don't get it they whine and throw temper tantrums.
    That is why the next young QB will be ruined here too.
     
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  6. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    Amen sir!!! That's what I was looking for!!
     
  7. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You know with Ireland still the GM, it is still... relevant...

    and it would not surprise me if Henne was signed again to compete with Moore...

    ohhh the masses "would cry havock and let lose the dogs of war"....
     
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  8. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    LOL...

    Des you just decided that we could probably wait another few years to finaly find a coach that can teach Henne how to become a better QB...

    brilliant... I am all in on the Henne bandwaggon...whose with me???
     
  9. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    Absolutely true. I can see Ireland resigning him just to prove it was a good draft pick. I hope he does. The m'asses don't know that much about football, so let them cry, and eat cake!
     
  10. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Two fallacies here.

    1. Smith's potential. People spent years talking about Smith's potential, and how it was being squandered by continual coaching changes. It was only last year that the chorus began to die down and talk began of how the 49ers should move on. Alex Smith has had a lot of supporters for a long time.

    2. Shaun Hill as a scrub. He actually isn't. Smith lost his job to Hill because Hill was legitimately capable, at the time more capable than Smith. Part of that was coaching, but part of that is because Hill was underrated by then-head coach Mike Nolan. Nolan has since said that he regrets not switching to Hill sooner. Hill went on to fill in admirably in Detroit, and is still a very underrated QB to this day. I would love to have him on the Dolphins, and I suspect if we had somehow signed Shaun Hill instead of Matt Moore, the group cheerleading Matt Moore would now be cheerleading Shaun Hill.

    No one's giving up on Henne early. He's turned in four years of work in which he never, not once, improved. He's posted roughly a 75 passer rating throughout his career, with only minor fluctuations from season to season: 74.0 in 2008, 75.2 in 2009, 75.4 in 2010, 79.0 in 2011. There is no discernible growth or improvement that indicates Henne has untapped potential. In fact, over the same span of starting time—2009 through 2011—Alex Smith has been demonstrably better than Chad Henne. Smith's passer ratings over the same span of time: 2009, 81.5; 2010, 82.1; 2011, 90.7.

    The entire basis for your comparison and the assumptions that form its underpinnings are false.
     
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  11. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    I am on the Henne bandwagon as long as he is a Fin.
     
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  12. phinfan13

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    Have you been blind the last few years, this is Chad throw an INT and cost us a win every game Henne. In reference to the New England he threw for 416 with 2 td's and 1 int. One game does not justify having him playing for us next year, let alone compared to Smith. Moore ran circles around him and will win the starting job if they are the only option we have going into pre-season. God I hope Henne is not with us next year (doing the Tebow prayer)! You need to change the beer you are drinking which is causing you to think Henne is good, lol!!! Henne is an epic failure as a starting QB!
     
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  13. jsizzle

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    Henne's rating is higher than Alex Smith's. Just sayin'.
     
  14. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Henne's career rating is a shade higher, yes. This is because Smith posted a 40.8 passer rating in his rookie season and a 57.2 rating in his third year. This is why it becomes relevant to compare their performance over the same span of time, to avoid the erroneous conclusion you just posted.
     
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  15. byroan

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    Smith just pulled a Henne.

    Samsung Epic 4G via Tapatalk
     
  16. jsizzle

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    I hate to use logic on you, I know you will struggle. Henne only played 4 games and finished 3 this year. In all 3 games he finished, the DEFENSE crapped the bed. I know you are a blind hater, but try to use common sense. We had a short offseason, the defense was HORRIBLE early in the year, and Matt Moore beat NOBODY good. And please don't tell me the Jets are good. We need a legit competition at QB and Henne was showing improvement with little to no help from the rest of the team. Remember, if Marshall catches 2 EASY TDs, we win vs Cleveland and Houston. But, haters will hate. So hate away.

    PS, I don't drink and you should stop.
     
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  17. phinfan13

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    Go back and look what he did for us the last few years...not the games he played for us this year. I will use logic on you. Yes we had a short offseason, I will give you that. What about the previous years when he had all the time in the world to pre-pare!!
     
  18. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Come on man everyone knows it was Hennes fault on those passes that Marshall dropped and Henne also should have been playing defense......
    Stop making sense.

    There was so much support for Dan Henning here when in actuality He and Tony did a lot of damage to Henne. You can't throw a young QB under the bus to the media and expect positive results in the long run. No one seemed to care that he was starting to improve with Daboll. They only feed off the fanbase and their impatient hatred for any form of development.
    Those same knuckledraggers *****ed and screamed for Orton.
     
  19. RGF

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    Never believed in Henne ,never believed in Smith. and STILL dont
     
  20. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    Alex Smith is one half away from the NFC title game. Believe it or not!

    (Am I Ripley now?)
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    And everyone knows that Henning never had a problem with Rondey Peete or Jake Delhomme.
     
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    The real problem with this scenario is resigning Henne "on the cheap." Of course, that would be ideal from the team's perspective. But why would Henne sign a meager contract with the Dolphins so that he can stay in a place where the fans are-- to be kind-- divided on him and where he'll have to compete simply to win his old job back? One would think that he'd sign just about anywhere else instead, assuming they'd also be willing to give him an inexpensive contract. I just don't see Henne wanting to come back now. If he's going to ride the bench for the time being, I think he'd rather do it someplace else and get a fresh start.
     
  23. Killerphins

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    Henning's system gets ran out of town after 3 years or so everywhere he goes.
    The old bastards offense is a dinosaur.

    I have to ask. Is Dan Henning your grandpa or something? You love that guy and defend him at all costs.
     
  24. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    It's true. Henne will run like hell away from the disaster. Even if those ****ing idiots Lee and Henning are gone.
    I would get away from this idiotic fan base too if I were him.
     
  25. DHPVW

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    I for one want Henne back either way....someone to compete for a starting job and push the rest of the QB's. He looked pretty damn good to me early this season and would prob be a cheap signing
     
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  26. CaribPhin

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    I don't care either way in this thread, but fallacies in your post include comparing Henne's 08, 09, 10, and 11 seasons to Smith's. In terms of playing, Smith was in, I believe, his third, fourth, fifth, and sixth years. I don't care enough to check. The 08 and 11 years in particular considering one is 3 games with 12 attempts and the other is 3 and 4 attempts in a fourth. What kind of a sample size comparison is that? You're clearly trying to make a non-existent trend by making the sample size seem larger than it is, and comparable to Smith's. You can do better than that if you're going to call someone out. Especially when his two fallacies are arguably subjective beliefs.

    Another is saying that Henne's 2 1/4 years of work is 4 years of work. Early is subjective.

    Third is using 2011 to show (lack of) progression. Again, that sample size is not comparable to the others.

    Fourth is that Passer Rating is the ultimate arbiter of improvement. I would submit that he improved discernibly since 2009.

    One interesting thing to note, is that in comparable starts, one of the QB's in the playoffs started their third year starting with a rating of 77 compared to 79 for Henne, and had a previous two year rating average of 72.2 compared to Henne's 75.3.

    Either way, I want Matt Flynn or RGIII.
     
  27. Phyl

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    Henne threw four picks in 3.5 games this year. Smith threw five picks in 16.
     
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    If Alex Smith, why not Jamarcus Russel?
     
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    Problem is, Henne never had a positive TD to In ratio, Smith even when he was not good had a positive one, we've seen 3 yrs of it, what else do we need to see?
     
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    If you watch what alex smith is doing in this playoff game beating the saints you would know why henne doesn't have or ever had 1st pick in the draft talent
     
  31. Desides

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    Contrasting their performance over the same years is as close to apples-to-apples as we can get.
     
  32. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Why not Rex Grossman? Plus he played in a Super Bowl...(Joking, of course)

    No thanks. We should trade up for RG3 and stick with him. I'd even take someone like Weeden. And the unlikely scenario of a fully healthy Peyton Manning. People make too many excuses for Chad Henne. Plays a good game against the Patriots (worst defense in the NFL) and then does little to nothing against the Texans and Browns. And we saw the same things in 2009 and 2010.
     
  33. CaribPhin

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    I'll keep that in mind. To be clear here, comparing a 10th grader's SAT score to a 12th grader's SAT score is apples to apples right?
     
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  34. jw3102

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    Perhaps Henne will succeed as a QB in the NFL on his next team, because the Dolphins have shown absolutely no interest in signing him to a new contract. Alex smith is smarter and more athletic than Henne and he has an excellent head coach, who was a former NFL QB, to learn the game from. Personally I don't see Henne as being any more then a backup QB for the rest of his career in the NFL.

    Good luck to Henne where ever he ends up next year, as long as it isn't with the Dolphins.
     
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  35. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yet, one game is enough for many fans to want a give a big free agent contract to Matt Flynn.
     
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  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It's relevant to compare them in the same years of their respective careers. What was Smith's passer rating after 4 seasons in the league? That is the only relevant comparison to Henne at this point. Unless of course one is a Henne hater and wants to twist things to suit their own bias.
     
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  37. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy Club Member

    Exactly. Henne's had some nice games for sure. But he has never won three consecutive games in either.
     
  38. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Did they take the exact same test? If so, yeah, it's apples to apples.

    By your criteria, we can't compare or contrast the 28 year old Aaron Rodgers' performance to the 35 year old Peyton Manning's performance in any way, shape, or form ever, because they came into the league in two different years.

    By the way, I fail to detect a point in your posts here. Are you just taking issue with the timeframe used in the contrast, or are you actually trying to say Henne is no worse than Alex Smith? If the latter, then I'm not even going to bother to continue this conversation.
     
  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He was serious? I thought Dupree was being sarcastic. ???
     
  40. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Oh yes of course. By Desides logic it is, just as long as they take the test in the same calender year. ;)
     

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