If Sparano keeps backing a failing Henne will he lose his job?

This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever read..... and that's saying a lot..... b/c I've read a lot of your threads. :rimshot:

"failing Henne"??! WOW!! Then I guess we should NEVER draft another QB again if one of the best ones drafted over the past 6 seasons isn't good enough. I forgot, silly me, QB's don't take time to develop in the NFL. According to your outlandish comment, half of the top QB's would be in the Arena League right now, including Brees.

Let's look at ALLLLL the QB's drafted since 2005.

Chad is roughly on par with Top 5 picks Matt Ryan and Sanchez... and IMO better than Stafford, Flacco, Cutler, Vince Young, and Josh Freeman. The ONLY player who is head and shoulders above everyone since the 05 draft is Aaron Rodgers..... and he has 3 years of experience over Henne. And IMO the only player close to Aaron's caliber is Sam Bradford.

2005: Henne's better than 1st rounders Alex Smith & Jason Campbell........ Derek Anderson, Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Charlie Frye, Andrew Walter, David Greene, Stefen LeFors, Dan Orlovsky, Adrien McPherson, James Killian. (the cream of 05 was Rodgers)

2006: Chad's better than 1st rounder Vince Young & Leinart...... 2nd rounders Kellen Clemens & Tavaris Jackson...... Charlie Whitehurst, Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs, Reggie McNeal, Bruce Gradkowski, and DJ Shockley. (Cutler is the best of 06)

2007: He's better than 1st rounders Russell & Quinn..... 2nd rounders Kevin Kolb, Beck & Drew Stanton..... Trent Edwards, Isaiah Steinback, Jeff Rowe, Troy Smith, Jordan Palmer, and Thigpen.

2008: He's better than the rest of the 08 draft- Brohm, Booty, Dennis Dixon, Josh Johnson, Eric Ainge, Colt Brennan, Andre Woodson, Matt Flynn, and Alex Brink.

2009: Better than the remaining 09 draft- Pat White, Rhett Bomar, Stephen McGee, Tom Brandstater, Keith Null, and Curtis Painter.

2010: Should be better than anyone not named Bradford.

All totaled, that's a LOT of friggin QB's!!

You act like elite QBs grow on trees. Be happy that we found a good one. Either stop complaining or hope that we finish dead last in the NFL so we can use a #1 pick on a franchise QB who may never be better than Henne. Drew Brees's & Peyton Manning's don't come along every season you know...... heck his own family can't even duplicate him.

So please tell me, what hat are we guaranteed to pull this all-world QB out of? The chance of finding a better QB in the draft is slim...... and he will STILL take time to develop.

Well, yr 3 of a 4 yr deal, if we fail this year, say go 6-10, is it not a possibility that Sparano is fired?

I think it is, if we win, say 10-6, then no way, this is a key season for the Sparanophins.

"Killerphins wrote:

Special teams need to be taken care of immediately.
Tony needs to find this team an identity on offense and even on defense at times. Henne is getting too much of the blame today from everywhere.
We caved as a team last night in the second half.
Those are the things that need to be fixed and the wins have to come back for Sparano to feel safe with his job.

Spot on.
Henne made mistakes.
The 2 first half INT's were bad especially the second one but it happens with a young QB.

Our problems ran deeper than Henne this week..... much deeper.
ST's weren't bad they were flat out atrocious. I've never seen such a melt down by a ST's squad.

There are no other options either.
You bench Henne and you trade off the negatives he brings to the table with his inexperience and WR stare downs for Penningtons limitations with his arm and throws defenses know he can and can't make effectively. Not to mention you SERIOUSLY delay the team's future development by bringing in Pennington.

Henne staying the starter makes sense on all levels unless he starts having a complete meltdown.

IMO, Sparano sitting Henning down and talking with him about playing to our strengths and stopping all the cute crap does much more for this team than siting Henne.

I have 2 words for you: REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS

This thread kind of sucks.

I don't think anyone is down on Henne for the results of one game. That would be foolish. But if you take the rose colored glasses off and look at the whole year you will see a different issue.

-He has been drastically under throwing receivers in every game

-He has no footwork and is unable to roll out, run a bootleg or flush the pocket

-His immobility is making our offense one dimensional putting LB's in pass coverage

-He is holding the ball waaaaaaaaaay too long

-He needs a full 6 seconds of pass protection, double that of other teams

When the thread spoke of "failures", I kinda think these were the issues, not the results of a special teams implosion of one game. I don't think the thread "sucks", but I do think that some of your responses to it certainly do.

It would be a pretty boring world if everyone had the same opinion, in fact it would defeat the purpose of the forum itself.

"Shulaboy wrote:

I don't think anyone is down on Henne for the results of one game. That would be foolish. But if you take the rose colored glasses off and look at the whole year you will see a different issue.

-He has been drastically under throwing receivers in every game

-He has no footwork and is unable to roll out, run a bootleg or flush the pocket

-His immobility is making our offense one dimensional putting LB's in pass coverage

-He is holding the ball waaaaaaaaaay too long

-He needs a full 6 seconds of pass protection, double that of other teams

I pretty much do not agree with any of that :no:

"The G Man wrote:

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

No, but it does get fired...

We need to move Zach Thomas to SS :up:

another one of these stupid threads

Seriously? Every ****ing day we have these types of threads now? When did this place turn into FH? And it always seems to be the same 2 people stirring the pot. This place seems to be full of Chicken Littles lately

"Shulaboy wrote:

I don't think anyone is down on Henne for the results of one game. That would be foolish. But if you take the rose colored glasses off and look at the whole year you will see a different issue.

-He has been drastically under throwing receivers in every game

-He has no footwork and is unable to roll out, run a bootleg or flush the pocket

-His immobility is making our offense one dimensional putting LB's in pass coverage

-He is holding the ball waaaaaaaaaay too long

-He needs a full 6 seconds of pass protection, double that of other teams

When the thread spoke of "failures", I kinda think these were the issues, not the results of a special teams implosion of one game. I don't think the thread "sucks", but I do think that some of your responses to it certainly do.

It would be a pretty boring world if everyone had the same opinion, in fact it would defeat the purpose of the forum itself.

Forget it bro.

Just like Ginn and countless others. The fanboys will go down with the ship.

I wonder if some of those Ginn fanboys still think he needs another year to develop. ("He's only in year 3! He needs more time people!")

<sigh>

Henne is average. NOTHING the kid shows me says other wise. He is like the Jay Fiedler of this era only non-mobile (which is bad) and less prone to the game destroying INT (which is good). Nothing against him, just what I see.

For the record I say NO, I dont think Sparano gets fired if he keeps Henne on as QB.

In fact I dont see anyone getting the axe no matter how bad we do this year unless Ross steps in like Wayne did after '95 and Parcells leaves completely.

"texasPHINSfan wrote:

We need to move Zach Thomas to SS :up:

stupidest post of the day. you are a clown, sir.

Zach is not suited to strong safety. His skillset screams Free Safety.

"cobrajet wrote:

During his press briefing, Tony Sparano, treated ESPN's Chris Mortensen's allegation of the team changing QB's as absurd. If Henne continues to falter and is not replaced will it cost TS his job??

Kudos for walking straight into a fussilade of musket fire on this one, bro. Brave and ballsy.

Look, we oughta be able to discuss this stuff. And yes, after a BAD loss, negativity is in the air.

I think Henne is either the future.. or isn't.

Seriously.

If he isn't we can;t throw in the towel too soon... cuz plan B (PEnnington) is NOT the future.

I'm not a big fan of Tony Sparano, but I don't understand who he's supposed to make the switch to?

He has to stick with Chad Henne.

"GreysonWinfield wrote:

1st Henne would have to fail consistently. Since this hasn't happened the question is moot.

Does being consistently inconsistent count?????????:shifty:

"TheMageGandalf wrote:

Forget it bro.

Just like Ginn and countless others. The fanboys will go down with the ship.

I wonder if some of those Ginn fanboys still think he needs another year to develop. ("He's only in year 3! He needs more time people!")

<sigh>

Henne is average. NOTHING the kid shows me says other wise. He is like the Jay Fiedler of this era only non-mobile (which is bad) and less prone to the game destroying INT (which is good). Nothing against him, just what I see.

For the record I say NO, I dont think Sparano gets fired if he keeps Henne on as QB.

In fact I dont see anyone getting the axe no matter how bad we do this year unless Ross steps in like Wayne did after '95 and Parcells leaves completely.

For the record; once and for all, I think Henne has all the makings of a great QB. He is tough, smart, calculating, and is a good leader. But for the life of me I can't figure out if all of the things Shulaboy mentioned (all of which he took from me in a previous post) is the fault of Henne or the coaching itself?

I went back and watched some highlights and Henne has the ability to be a mobile QB and he has shown that he has a rifle for an arm, just not this year so far. I know that the season is still in it's infancy but is it that he making these mistakes or just playing the way they want him to?

In reality Henne holding the ball too long and letting the LB's drop into coverage for INT's or not running for the first down might not be his ideas at all, he might just be doing what he is told. Possibly they are telling him to stay in the pocket and be one dimensional? IDK, maybe this has nothing to do with him??

With all of that said I hope TS stays for a long time. He is a hard nosed, passionate coach, but I have no idea why they are re-training Henne this way or who they would replace him with. Thigpen has a spark on the field and I like his style but he is not ready to lead the team.

I would like to see them retire Penny and make him the QB coach, give Thig some playtime and stop pulling the wires off Henne's game. I hope that after the bye week they let him loosen up, move around and throw down the field like he is capable of.

I fear that if Henne contiues to be one dimensional, throws more INT's, refuses to flush from the pocket, costs us wins and TS won't part from him or change him - that it will hurt TS. I fear this because I don't want that to happen.

The season is young - and time will tell

"Bumrush wrote:

New Poll:

Should CobraJet get banned from the forums for the next month should Henne lead the team to victory against Green Bay?

I am sure he will lead us to many victories, just not the way he played against the Patsies with 3 INT's. Everyone has a bad game - lets see what happens after the bye week. If nothing changes we could be in trouble.

"ToddsPhins wrote:

This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever read..... and that's saying a lot..... b/c I've read a lot of your threads.

I am flattered that you are a continuous reader of my posts. :wink2:

the thing with henne's performance monday was that it was both positive and negative. what people are doing against henne now is playing deep zone and forcing him to make decisions underneath. i think henne has proven that he can destroy man coverage.

compare two zone defenses. against minnesota he played much more conservatively and just dinked and threw the ball away. against the patriots he actually did a pretty good job of attacking and dissecting it except for the damn interceptions. it was improvement overall but with a few crucial mistakes. you have to think the interceptions will start to go away and if he can dissect a deep zone and destory man coverage well then you're getting to a point that you're getting a QB who can move the ball on any defense

"cobrajet wrote:

For the record; once and for all, I think Henne has all the makings of a great QB. He is tough, smart, calculating, and is a good leader. But for the life of me I can't figure out if all of the things Shulaboy mentioned (all of which he took from me in a previous post) is the fault of Henne or the coaching itself?

I went back and watched some highlights and Henne has the ability to be a mobile QB and he has shown that he has a rifle for an arm, just not this year so far. I know that the season is still in it's infancy but is it that he making these mistakes or just playing the way they want him to?

In reality Henne holding the ball too long and letting the LB's drop into coverage for INT's or not running for the first down might not be his ideas at all, he might just be doing what he is told. Possibly they are telling him to stay in the pocket and be one dimensional? IDK, maybe this has nothing to do with him??

With all of that said I hope TS stays for a long time. He is a hard nosed, passionate coach, but I have no idea why they are re-training Henne this way or who they would replace him with. Thigpen has a spark on the field and I like his style but he is not ready to lead the team.

I would like to see them retire Penny and make him the QB coach, give Thig some playtime and stop pulling the wires off Henne's game. I hope that after the bye week they let him loosen up, move around and throw down the field like he is capable of.

I fear that if Henne contiues to be one dimensional, throws more INT's, refuses to flush from the pocket, costs us wins and TS won't part from him or change him - that it will hurt TS. I fear this because I don't want that to happen.

The season is young - and time will tell

Lets face it - they didn't bench him because we was having a good day, and it does not look like CH is comfortable with the way they are using him. We should have scored 40 points in Buffalo but this new baby step offense has Henne chained down. He has been very flat footed in the last two games as well.

The people on this thread just don't understand that we are talking about the bigger picture and not one bad game. But you raise a good point - is the problem Henne or how they are using him?

There were a mountain of offensive play calling blunders in that game resulting in three INT's by LB's (all 3 I think). Why weren't we throwing deep when we were behind? Why were we running the ball (and the clock) in the 4th qrt when time was running out? Where was our two minute drill? Henne was indeed being "mis-used'.

It's almost as if we had no intention of winning the game, and if that was the object - then Bravo.

I think Henne has a better chance of sticking than Sparano
Sparano is the bad result of a parcellian experiment in coaching
Henne is a legitimate QB that may never be elite but will play

"adamprez2003 wrote:

the thing with henne's performance monday was that it was both positive and negative. what people are doing against henne now is playing deep zone and forcing him to make decisions underneath. i think henne has proven that he can destroy man coverage.

compare two zone defenses. against minnesota he played much more conservatively and just dinked and threw the ball away. against the patriots he actually did a pretty good job of attacking and dissecting it except for the damn interceptions. it was improvement overall but with a few crucial mistakes. you have to think the interceptions will start to go away and if he can dissect a deep zone and destory man coverage well then you're getting to a point that you're getting a QB who can move the ball on any defense

You are right. He has the tools and he his is improving but the immobility factor really concerns me. It almost looks like he would rather force the ball than run for a first down, and that needs to stop, and hopefully will.

"TheMageGandalf wrote:

Forget it bro.

Just like Ginn and countless others. The fanboys will go down with the ship.

I wonder if some of those Ginn fanboys still think he needs another year to develop. ("He's only in year 3! He needs more time people!")

<sigh>

Henne is average. NOTHING the kid shows me says other wise. He is like the Jay Fiedler of this era only non-mobile (which is bad) and less prone to the game destroying INT (which is good). Nothing against him, just what I see.

For the record I say NO, I dont think Sparano gets fired if he keeps Henne on as QB.

In fact I dont see anyone getting the axe no matter how bad we do this year unless Ross steps in like Wayne did after '95 and Parcells leaves completely.

These are the most pathetic posts on message boards. We support our young quarterback and give proof that he's progressing and having a solid season and we're "fanboys" and "apologists". GTFOOH

And by the way, if you haven't seen signs that Henne could be a lot more than just "average", then you're just not watching the games.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

These are the most pathetic posts on message boards. We support our young quarterback and give proof that he's progressing and having a solid season and we're "fanboys" and "apologists". GTFOOH

And by the way, if you haven't seen signs that Henne could be a lot more than just "average", then you're just not watching the games.

Rocky, Rocky, Rocky. It's OK man. It's just an opinion. Don't take offense. We all root for the same team and shouldn't be venomous toward one another. You guys take things to personally.