Where would Tannehill rank if he were drafted in the last five drafts? I'm not neccessarily asking for people's opinion of all these guys, more so what grades these guys received from most draft gurus, compared to Tannehill this year.
2011:
1. Newton
8. Locker
10. Gabbert
12. Ponder
35. Dalton
I feel like like most pundits had Newton, Gabbert, Locker ranked in the top three. Feel like Tannehill is a better prospect than all these guys, save for Newton.
2010:
1. Sam Bradford
25. Tim Tebow
48. Jimmy Clausen
85. Colt McCoy
Think he'd obviously be the second ranked passer here. Not sure how much higher Kiper or McShay had Bradford graded than Tannehill this year.
2009:
1. Matt Stafford
5. Mark Sanchez
17. Josh Freeman
44. Pat White (whoops!)
My guess, probably ranked second in this class as well. Sanchez wasn't insanely rated when he came out, save for the Jets media.
2008:
3. Matt Ryan
18. Joe Flacco
56. Brian Brohm
57. Chad Henne
Is Ryan Tannehill possibly higher ranked than Matt Ryan? Don't think its even a question Tannehill is higher ranked than the other three.
2007:
1. JaMarcus Russell
22. Brady Quinn
36. Kevin Kolb
I imagine Ryan Tannehill is ranked higher than all these guys. Everybody knew Russell was going to be the first pick, but everyone thought it was a huge risk as well. Don't think Tannehill is nearly that risky.
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How I felt about Matt Ryan is a lot about how I feel about Tannehill.
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I think Luck would be ranked 1st out of all of these guys. Think Griffin would go #1 in any draft outside of this one, and the Bradford draft. Its not like Tannehill is like every other 3rd ranked qb in the NFL draft class. Picking him at #8 would be a steal, in my opinion.
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Tannehill probably would not have been ranked above Newton, Bradford, Stafford, or possibly Russell.....so you can look at it that he would have been #2 in most drafts out you can look at the fact he is in the same group as the rest of those guys that are not good starters in the NFL. I wouldn't mind the pick if he is there at 8, worth a shot imo, but I'm not going to be elated about the future of the team just from this pick.
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I proposed this in another thread, it is Tannehill related but not in the way most expect. The Browns reportedly are deciding between Richardson, Blackmon and Tannehill at #4. This tells me they have Tannehill rated above Weeden who they could pick at #22 while acquiring one of these players.
If we are not big into Tannehill it is reported that Seattle definitely is if he falls to them. Teams like Buffalo and KC may also be. I wonder if the Browns would be willing to trade from #22 to #8. They may even be willing to overpay for the guarantee of drafting the QB they really really like. At #22 you have your option of Weeden, Fleener, or a WR you like (or someone else). As well as obtaining some early picks.
As to the original post on the thread, solid way to look at it. I think Newton, Bradford and Stafford would be rated ahead of him for sure and the others would simply come down to preference. I'm not a fan of Ryan even now.Larryfinfan likes this. -
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All of the aforementioned QBs have done exactly jack diddly in the NFL. Does any of this really matter?
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I actually would have Griffin rated lower in actuality from Newton b/c of Newton's size and ability to take a pounding. We've seen this in Big Ben. Size matters in the NFL in terms of durability - especially for a QB who may make a living scrambling with his legs.Ohio Fanatic likes this. -
I don't think where he would have been rated is really the issue. The fact is that the Browns, Rams, Vikings, Tamp Bay, and Jags all are on the list to draft before the Dolphins next week. While there has been some talk that the Browns are interested in Tannehill, until they actually draft him, it has to be assumed they feel McCoy is a better long term prospect than Tannehill is. The Vikings and Jags have shown no interest in Tannehill, so they obviously feel Ponder and Gabbert will be better going forward than Tannehill. The Rams are obviously also convinced that Bradford is a legitimate franchise QB in the making. Tampa Bay also has shown no interest in Tannehill and therefore you have to conclude that they like Freeman more than Tannehill.
Other than the Rams, I have to think that all these other teams would have jumped at the chance to draft Luck this year if they had the first pick in the draft. I also think the Lions, Ravens, Jets, Bengals, Panthers, Falcons, and Titans would happily choose the QB they selected in the last five years over a chance to select Tannehill this season.
Therefore the only QB's on this list I see the teams taking Tannehill over at this time are, Russell, Quinn, Brohm, Henne, White, Clausen, and possibly Kolb. Of course all these QB's have turned out to be complete bust in the NFL, except for Kolb, and the jury is still out on him.
Tannehill may turn out to be a quality QB or he may not. It just doesn't appear that many teams who have selected QB's in the last five years and who are drafting before and right after the Dolphins in the 2012 draft have any real interest in selecting him and getting rid of the QB they drafted in the last five years. -
I generally agree with the OP's rankings. I hated Russel in that '07 draft. I had him as a bust all the way. I have Tannehill ranked higher than I would have ranked Ryan in '08. And I would have had him as the second ranked QB behind Stafford, Bradford and Newton the other three years, although it would have been close with Newton.
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Also the second point, duh, Luck is seen as one in a lifetime quarterback. They wouldn't do the same with Barkley.
Your third point is basically just pointing out all the busts, which is just silly.
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Ignore the fact that a lot of these QBs are busts. Plenty of WR's, OLB's, RB's, etc have also under performed their draft position. All I'm pointing out, is that taking Tannehill who would in most of the last 5 drafts be the first or second best QB prospect 8th overall, is not a reach. Especially factoring in the new collective bargaining agreement, the addition of Philbin (with GB's history with young qbs) and Sherman (Knows his fair share of Tannehill), as well as the idea that he fits the new implementing of the west coast offense perfectly.
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Ignore the fact that a lot of these QBs are busts. Plenty of WR's, OLB's, RB's, etc have also under performed their draft position. All I'm pointing out, is that taking Tannehill who would in most of the last 5 drafts be the first or second best QB prospect 8th overall, is not a reach. Especially factoring in the new collective bargaining agreement, the addition of Philbin (with GB's history with young qbs) and Sherman (Knows his fair share of Tannehill), as well as the idea that he fits the new implementing of the west coast offense perfectly.Click to expand...
Tannehill may end up being as good as Stafford, Ryan, or Newton. He may also end up being the next Clausen. Henne, or God forbid, Russell. The next few years will tell and where he is rated now or how he would have been rated in any of the drafts in the last five years won't matter one bit. -
Actually, Cleveland, Miami, Buffalo, KC, Seattle and Philly have all shown a ton of interest in Tannehill. Basically, all the QB needing teams (and some that aren't) among the first 15 picks. In fact, there were 22 teams at his workout. The ones I listed were teams that we know had him in for private workouts.
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I won't argue with you that Tannehill would have been rated higher than many of the QB's you listed. Ratings are fun before the draft, but appear to mean very little once the games begin. Stafford, Ryan, and Newton were all the top rated QB's in their draft class and all have had decent careers so far. Flacco and Sanchez have both led their teams to the playoffs more then once, but I certainly wouldn't consider either of them top tier QB's in the NFL. Dalton and Freeman appear to be the best of the rest, but they still have a long way to go to be considered top tier QB's.
Tannehill may end up being as good as Stafford, Ryan, or Newton. He may also end up being the next Clausen. Henne, or God forbid, Russell. The next few years will tell and where he is rated now or how he would have been rated in any of the drafts in the last five years won't matter one bit.Click to expand... -
The reason why I think your logic is terrible is because it is a HUGE jump in conclusion. If the Browns do not draft Tannehill it does not mean they feel McCoy is a better prospect. It doesn't mean that at all. To give up on a quarterback and then taking a first round pick quarterback costs two things. #1. Giving up on all of the investment towards the current player. #2. Giving up on players that potentially could have drafted while having a player they are already invested in.
There are 6 special players in the draft, maybe 7 if you include Cox. Well maybe 8 if you count DeCastro. Still top 10 for a guard is pushing it.
Also the fact that he may or may not have been higher than any QB's in the last five years is completely relevant. In fact you even brought it up for quarterbacks that will be in next year's draft. You cannot have it both ways.
The NFL game is all about obtaining a franchise QB and it is also about developing a franchise QB. Which is the cost of getting a quarterback in the first round. Unless there is a chance for a Luck, then you stick with the quarterbacks you have.
The idea that no one wants to trade up for Tannehill(which we do not know yet), is irrelevant. He does have question marks concerning his ability. Which is why he isn't a 1st or 2nd pick in the draft player. He probably would be if there wasn't a Luck or Griffen. Then you would have a Matt Ryan debate. In fact he reminds me a lot of Matt Ryan. Who is honestly a perfect quarterback to pick with the 8th pick.
I do not know how high Miami are on Tannehill. It wouldn't surprise me if they drafted him and it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. I do know that there are no players at 8 that I see as "must have" that warrent passing over a chance at a franchise quarterback. In fact if Miami trades down to 15 to 20th, I wouldn't care because no one after the top 6 excite me at all.Click to expand...
I understand completely where you are coming from. Unfortunately when I have argued on this forum that I do not think Tannehill is worth a first round selection this year and that I would rather see the Dolphins use this pick on a player who can come in and start immediately and draft a QB in the later rounds. I am constantly told by some forum members that just because the Dolphins use a first round pick on a QB this year doesn't prevent them from using another first round pick on a QB in 2013. I am told that because of the new NFL contract with the players, the cost of a first round draft pick now doesn't tie the team to this player as it did in the past.
It appears that some on this forum are willing to take a chance on Tannehill in this draft because the Dolphins can always correct the mistake in 2013 or 2014 if it doesn't work out. This seems to go against both your arguments in #1 and #2, above. I am not saying I agree with those individuals because I most certainly don't. In fact I have no problem with those fans who want to see the Dolphins draft Tannehill because they think he will be a great QB in the NFL.
I just have a problem with all those who want the Dolphins to draft a QB, (any QB), in the first round just because they haven't drafted a QB in the first round since drafting Marino. It appears that these individuals would rather see the Dolphins draft Tannehill in hopes he works out and if he doesn't, they can always use another first round pick next year or the following year on another possible franchise QB.
If Ireland and Philbin are convinced Tannehill is the long term answer at the QB position, I am willing to support them drafting Tannehill in the first round, even if I may not agree with their decision. I also on the other hand will not be one of those fans who gets on here and berates Ireland if he does not select Tannehill in the first round.
I think the Dolphins have important needs at WR, LB, OL,DL. and safety. If Ireland takes a top player at any of these positions with the eight position in the first round, I will be completely satisfied with that pick. I would prefer Kuechly being the pick but since the Dolphins have so many holes to fill, any top pick from one of these positions will be fine with me.Click to expand...Fin-Omenal likes this. -
Of course, however I do not have a time machine and can't go into the future. Right now, talking about ratings before the draft is relevant.Click to expand...
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Actually, Cleveland, Miami, Buffalo, KC, Seattle and Philly have all shown a ton of interest in Tannehill. Basically, all the QB needing teams (and some that aren't) among the first 15 picks. In fact, there were 22 teams at his workout. The ones I listed were teams that we know had him in for private workouts.Click to expand...
I will agree that the Browns could surprise us and end up drafting Tannehill. I also understand that one of these teams you mentioned could make a draft day trade into the top seven to draft Tannehill. None of these scenarios matter to me because I would love to see Tannehill drafted before the Dolphins are on the board. This way the Dolphins could draft one of the best seven players in the draft and still get a young QB in the second or third round. Losing Tannehill to one of the teams you listed would not be the worst thing that could happen to the Dolphins on draft day, as far as I am concerned. -
way the Dolphins could draft one of the best seven players in the draft and still get a young QB in the second or third round.Click to expand...
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John Beck, Pat White, Chad Henne... All second round picks. I know we've heard that argument before, but who in the 2nd or 3rd round are worth dubbing as our "future franchise quarterback"Click to expand...
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Seattle is not going to pick Tannehill after signing Flynn. You call that bluff all day long.
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Teams have dozens of players in for private workouts and this doesn't mean they have an interest in drafting all these players. I am sure many of these teams might be interested in Tannehill if he drops in the draft. I have just pointed out that the interest in him doesn't appear to be high enough for any of the teams to move up past the Dolphins in an attempt to ensure they are able to draft him.
I will agree that the Browns could surprise us and end up drafting Tannehill. I also understand that one of these teams you mentioned could make a draft day trade into the top seven to draft Tannehill. None of these scenarios matter to me because I would love to see Tannehill drafted before the Dolphins are on the board. This way the Dolphins could draft one of the best seven players in the draft and still get a young QB in the second or third round. Losing Tannehill to one of the teams you listed would not be the worst thing that could happen to the Dolphins on draft day, as far as I am concerned.Click to expand...ssmiami likes this. -
Seattle is not going to pick Tannehill after signing Flynn. You call that bluff all day long.
Cleveland is a real possibility, and there's very little we can do about it. If they do, you go ahead and get Blackmon or DeCastro and move on.Click to expand... -
I understand completely where you are coming from. Unfortunately when I have argued on this forum that I do not think Tannehill is worth a first round selection this year and that I would rather see the Dolphins use this pick on a player who can come in and start immediately and draft a QB in the later rounds. I am constantly told by some forum members that just because the Dolphins use a first round pick on a QB this year doesn't prevent them from using another first round pick on a QB in 2013. I am told that because of the new NFL contract with the players, the cost of a first round draft pick now doesn't tie the team to this player as it did in the past.
It appears that some on this forum are willing to take a chance on Tannehill in this draft because the Dolphins can always correct the mistake in 2013 or 2014 if it doesn't work out. This seems to go against both your arguments in #1 and #2, above. I am not saying I agree with those individuals because I most certainly don't. In fact I have no problem with those fans who want to see the Dolphins draft Tannehill because they think he will be a great QB in the NFL.
I just have a problem with all those who want the Dolphins to draft a QB, (any QB), in the first round just because they haven't drafted a QB in the first round since drafting Marino. It appears that these individuals would rather see the Dolphins draft Tannehill in hopes he works out and if he doesn't, they can always use another first round pick next year or the following year on another possible franchise QB.
If Ireland and Philbin are convinced Tannehill is the long term answer at the QB position, I am willing to support them drafting Tannehill in the first round, even if I may not agree with their decision. I also on the other hand will not be one of those fans who gets on here and berates Ireland if he does not select Tannehill in the first round.
I think the Dolphins have important needs at WR, LB, OL,DL. and safety. If Ireland takes a top player at any of these positions with the eight position in the first round, I will be completely satisfied with that pick. I would prefer Kuechly being the pick but since the Dolphins have so many holes to fill, any top pick from one of these positions will be fine with me.Click to expand...Click to expand... -
If you are talking about this years ratings, that is fine. As you noted though, we don't have time machines. So attempting to figure out where Tannehill would have fit into the ratings in previous years doesn't really matter because as you note, it is only this years draft ratings which are relevant.Click to expand...
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The deal they signed Flynn to is peanuts. The deal Tannehill would get is more peanuts. For a franchise like Seattle doubling your chances makes PERFECT sense.Click to expand...ssmiami likes this.
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That is not how it works. That is terrible use of logic.
Also the second point, duh, Luck is seen as one in a lifetime quarterback. They wouldn't do the same with Barkley.
Your third point is basically just pointing out all the busts, which is just silly.
I have no idea why you think my logic is terrible. The fact is that if Tannehill is as great as some on here tend to think he is, I would imagine one of these teams drafting before the Dolphins would love to draft him.
My point is that Tannehill is nothing special and these teams realize this. The fact that he may or may not have been rated higher than any of the QB's over the last five years is irrelevant when you consider that none of these teams, with the possibly exception of the Browns, have any interest in drafting Tannehill in the first round.
If the fact is that the NFL game is all about obtaining a franchise QB, you would think that these teams would be interested in drafting Tannehill in the first round if they actually thought he was going to be this type of QB in the future. As you pointed out, Luck is thought to be a once in a generation QB. The Redskins gave up a number of top draft picks to move up and pick RG3. Tannehill on the other hand is now considered the next best QB on the board but no team appears to want to move up and take him. I think this is because he is seen more on the level of a Freeman, Ponder, or Gabbert. Quarterbacks who still have huge question marks concerning their abilities in the NFL going forward.
I think some teams may think that Tannehill has a big upside, but they also have absolutely no interest in using a first round draft pick to take a chance on him. It would not surprise me in the least if the Dolphins are not as high on Tannehill as many on here suspect they might be.Click to expand...
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Where would Tannehill rank if he were drafted in the last five drafts? I'm not neccessarily asking for people's opinion of all these guys, more so what grades these guys received from most draft gurus, compared to Tannehill this year.
2011:
1. Newton
8. Locker
10. Gabbert
12. Ponder
TANNEHILL
35. Dalton
I feel like like most pundits had Newton, Gabbert, Locker ranked in the top three. Feel like Tannehill is a better prospect than all these guys, save for Newton.
2010:
1. Sam Bradford
TANNEHILL
25. Tim Tebow
48. Jimmy Clausen
85. Colt McCoy
Think he'd obviously be the second ranked passer here. Not sure how much higher Kiper or McShay had Bradford graded than Tannehill this year.
2009:
1. Matt Stafford
5. Mark Sanchez
17. Josh Freeman
TANNEHILL
44. Pat White (whoops!)
My guess, probably ranked second in this class as well. Sanchez wasn't insanely rated when he came out, save for the Jets media.
2008:
3. Matt Ryan
18. Joe Flacco
TANNEHILL
56. Brian Brohm
57. Chad Henne
Is Ryan Tannehill possibly higher ranked than Matt Ryan? Don't think its even a question Tannehill is higher ranked than the other three.
2007:
1. JaMarcus Russell
22. Brady Quinn
TANNEHILL
36. Kevin Kolb
I imagine Ryan Tannehill is ranked higher than all these guys. Everybody knew Russell was going to be the first pick, but everyone thought it was a huge risk as well. Don't think Tannehill is nearly that risky.Click to expand... -
Newton just has a ridiculous skill set. He is Vince Young with a better football head on his shoulders. I think that he would still be rated ahead of Tannehill but it's hard to say.Click to expand...
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I think Tannehill could have been rated higher than both Newton and Russell... Obviously, Newton far exceeded our expectations, but I think just judging from the draft, Tannehill could have been picked before Cam last year.Click to expand...Nappy Roots likes this.
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I could see it. Newton had all of those personality questions about him. I have no doubt that a percentage of the teams would have had Tannehill higher. IMO it was close, but I had Newton higher b/c I didn't buy into the personality questions about Newton.
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I could see it. Newton had all of those personality questions about him. I have no doubt that a percentage of the teams would have had Tannehill higher. IMO it was close, but I had Newton higher b/c I didn't buy into the personality questions about Newton.Click to expand...
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