im blaming RT17 for the loss

LOL

We needed a new thread for this.

sorry but i dont read these post about how much ppl hate him, i love the guy and figured id show my frustration with him...

I've been harsh on Tannehill the entire season and I DO NOT BLAME HIM AT ALL.

I admired his grit and awareness last night and I hope it's a sign of things to come.

I blame a coaching staff that refuses to run the ball.
I blame WR's that drop passes that quality WR's and TE's catch.
I blame the STUPID personal fouls for killing momentum.
I blame our terrible defense.

"Bumrush wrote:

I've been harsh on Tannehill the entire season and I DO NOT BLAME HIM AT ALL.

I admired his grit and awareness last night and I hope it's a sign of things to come.

I blame a coaching staff that refuses to run the ball.
I blame WR's that drop passes that quality WR's and TE's catch.
I blame the STUPID personal fouls for killing momentum.
I blame our terrible defense.

i agree completely with your post thats why i think RT17 cant have bad throws like he had yesterday, he is behind the 8ball so he has to start making these throws and show us he is our guy

"dullfandan wrote:

i agree completely with your post thats why i think RT17 cant have bad throws like he had yesterday, he is behind the 8ball so he has to start making these throws and show us he is our guy

Reasonable people will start to realize that they were too harsh on Tannehill if he follows up this game with improved manuverability and pocket precense.
The accuracy will come. The poor guy has been battered to death and forced to adapt to terrible coaching, so you can't really blame him for playing a bit hyped up on those throws.

The outcome of the game really didn't matter. We are not making the playoffs and were better off losing. The far more important thing is to examine how Tannehill performs now that he has more of a say in the game plan. So far the results have been better.

Also, if they had won, how much better would you have felt today? For me it didn't matter. Last night I was upset we lost but this morning I realized it wouldn't have made a difference if we had won.

"Bumrush wrote:

The outcome of the game really didn't matter. We are not making the playoffs and were better off losing. The far more important thing is to examine how Tannehill performs now that he has more of a say in the game plan. So far the results have been better.

I like how Tannehill played yesterday (and how he actually seemed to care), but the score is really 1-1 since Lazor was fired. He played like crap the first game and good the second. 3 more to go.. it's an audition for whoever his new coach is.

"cbrad wrote:

I like how Tannehill played yesterday (and how he actually seemed to care), but the score is really 1-1 since Lazor was fired. He played like crap the first game and good the second. 3 more to go.. it's an audition for whoever his new coach is.

Two factors - It's clear that Tannehill is a bit shell shocked from not only the state of the OL, but from the incompetence of Lazor and the rest of the coaching staff. He had a week to work out the kinks and came out focused and showed us the type of QB he can be when he moves around.

Until he reverts back to being a dinosaur in the pocket I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I'm not concerned with his accuracy on the move, I'm fairly certain it will improve once he gets his mojo back.

Ryan Tannehill's own words following last night's loss, "When it came down to it in the 4th quarter we didn't get it done and that's when the good teams step up, the good players step up and make plays and we didn't do that."

Was this a team loss? Absolutely. Was this game there for the taking? Absolutely. Would a franchise/elite (whatever you want to call it) step up at the end of this game? That is what makes them franchise/elite.

On Miami's final drive starting with the ball at the 48 yard line, 1st and 10 Tannehill had horrible placement on the pass to Landry leading to the incompletion (the play Landry inexcusably got the personal foul). Even with that on 3rd and 11 had Landry open for a TD after moving outside of the pocket and missed him big time (I thought that was supposed to be Tannehill's strengths).

The Dolphins offense didn't score the last 24:37 of the game against a team that is setting all-time records for 4th quarter collapses and is last in pass defense (315 per game) and gives up 7.7 YPA...I think it's fair criticism by the OP.

"Bumrush wrote:

Two factors - It's clear that Tannehill is a bit shell shocked from not only the state of the OL, but from the incompetence of Lazor and the rest of the coaching staff. He had a week to work out the kinks and came out focused and showed us the type of QB he can be when he moves around.

Until he reverts back to being a dinosaur in the pocket I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I'm not concerned with his accuracy on the move, I'm fairly certain it will improve once he gets his mojo back.

No need to worry about giving him the benefit of the doubt. Let it all play out and we'll see how he played the last 5 games of this season. I'd love nothing more than to see Tannehill prove he's our franchise QB, but there have been too many cases where he shines one game then poops the next. So let's just wait and see what he does.

"AdamC13 wrote:

I think it's fair criticism by the OP.

The criticism by the OP on Tanne has some merit, but one thing that isn't justified is to say Tanne should be blamed for the loss. At the VERY least, distribute the blame, especially among the defense.

"cbrad wrote:

The criticism by the OP on Tanne has some merit, but one thing that isn't justified is to say Tanne should be blamed for the loss. At the VERY least, distribute the blame, especially among the defense.

I did state...was this a team loss? Absolutely

"cbrad wrote:

No need to worry about giving him the benefit of the doubt. Let it all play out and we'll see how he played the last 5 games of this season. I'd love nothing more than to see Tannehill prove he's our franchise QB, but there have been too many cases where he shines one game then poops the next. So let's just wait and see what he does.

I agree with this... When the drums start beating and the natives start getting restless, Tannehill seems to enter into a different level of focus.

That's partially why I was hyped up when Campbell was announced. I though that he would know how to appeal to Tannehill's psyche, to get to the bottom of what makes him tick.

It happened last year when Philbin was non committal after we got destroyed by KC at home.. And happened last night after weeks of speculation that Tannehill was playing woefully and wasn't worthy of being a franchise QB. The media in Miami starting writing stories on it.

What happened? Much like in 2014, Tannehill shows us incredible pocket poise and looks the part of a true franchise QB.

The bigger question is, what type of coach do we need to push him to the limit and also work with his current skillset? Or is it possible that Tannehill just doesn't have a fire that is sustainable?

I don't know. I've hired many salespeople in my career and while it's an odd parallel, I've worked with guys that always seem to do incredible when threatened but then revert back to mediocre when the pressure is off.
This is a wild theory on my part.

"AdamC13 wrote:

I did state...was this a team loss? Absolutely

Yeah, I meant the OP saying that, not you :wink2:

"Bumrush wrote:

I agree with this... When the drums start beating and the natives start getting restless, Tannehill seems to enter into a different level of focus.

That's partially why I was hyped up when Campbell was announced. I though that he would know how to appeal to Tannehill's psyche, to get to the bottom of what makes him tick.

It happened last year when Philbin was non committal after we got destroyed by KC at home.. And happened last night after weeks of speculation that Tannehill was playing woefully and wasn't worthy of being a franchise QB. The media in Miami starting writing stories on it.

What happened? Much like in 2014, Tannehill shows us incredible pocket poise and looks the part of a true franchise QB.

The bigger question is, what type of coach do we need to push him to the limit and also work with his current skillset? Or is it possible that Tannehill just doesn't have a fire that is sustainable?

I don't know. I've hired many salespeople in my career and while it's an odd parallel, I've worked with guys that always seem to do incredible when threatened but then revert back to mediocre when the pressure is off.
This is a wild theory on my part.

Well it's an interesting question: better to get a coach that can scheme right with Tanne, or better to get a coach that knows how to push people to their limit. Hard to answer with Tannehill because he seems like he needs both, and it's rare to get both.

Too bad Parcells isn't around for another coaching gig because in terms of pressing the right buttons he was a master.

all elite qbs from brady to manning have lost games for their team, all games they should have won, last night was RT17's

"dullfandan wrote:

all elite qbs from brady to manning have lost games for their team, all games they should have won, last night was RT17's

You can't strike a middle ground and distribute the blame?

Tannehill didnt miss the Damian williams throw, **** that noise. Williams has to extend himself and catch that, period.

If he can play as well as he did on Monday Night every week we will be a playoff team and a contender. If he had more help and the defense was above college level we easily win that game.

"cbrad wrote:

You can't strike a middle ground and distribute the blame?

absolutely, we are a poorly coached team...

"CitizenSnips wrote:

Tannehill didnt miss the Damian williams throw, **** that noise. Williams has to extend himself and catch that, period.

dude i was screaming at D williams lay out for that give your qb a chance, i do not like d williams and think he needs to be busting wedges not running streak routes

"dullfandan wrote:

all elite qbs from brady to manning have lost games for their team, all games they should have won, last night was RT17's

The problem is elite QBs have a history of winning those games a significant percentage of the time. Tannehill doesn't.

Regardless of how well Tannehill, or any QB, plays during the first 3 quarters if they aren't able to make the plays at the end of the game that player is not the answer at QB. There are too many good teams in the NFL and a high percentage of games are won and lost in the 4th quarter and being able to elevate their game at the end of the game is what makes a QB elite or not more than anything else.

Tannehill had a good game yesterday. But have to put those good games in perspective, they have all been against porous defenses. Still made some big time throws though

"AdamC13 wrote:

The problem is elite QBs have a history of winning those games a significant percentage of the time. Tannehill doesn't.

Regardless of how well Tannehill, or any QB, plays during the first 3 quarters if they aren't able to make the plays at the end of the game that player is not the answer at QB. There are too many good teams in the NFL and a high percentage of games are won and lost in the 4th quarter and being able to elevate their game at the end of the game is what makes a QB elite or not more than anything else.

Again, how many elite QBS are on teams with a bad defense, bad oline, receivers who won't step up, and bad coaching (or several interim coaches)?

I just don't see the comparison being anywhere equal.

"resnor wrote:

Again, how many elite QBS are on teams with a bad defense, bad oline, receivers who won't step up, and bad coaching (or several interim coaches)?

I just don't see the comparison being anywhere equal.

We played one last night and lost!