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Discussion in 'Out of Bounds' started by schmolioot, Sep 12, 2008.

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  1. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  2. Celtkin

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    Alaska puts bounty on wolves - Environment - MSNBC.com
     
  3. schmolioot

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  4. resnor

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    Weak. Wolves, when they are get out of control, can have a devastating affect on a state's animal populations. Would people rather they catch them in traps?

    When you're hunting for food, i.e., deer, moose, etc, people say that hunting takes skill. However, when you're elminating predators, like wolves that are a danger, that is when you don't depend on skill or cunning. I was actually watching a program on the History Channel a couple weeks ago about Alaska. They were following this one guy around who had at least one dog, it might have been 3 dogs killed by wolves. All the wolves left of his dog was the collar. Anyway, he was trying to hunt the wolves down, and he was using all sorts of stuff, even night vision goggles, and he couldn't find them to shoot them. So, the point is, to really make a difference in the wolf population, it may take going to the air.
     
  5. Rick 1966

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    If you WERE a hunter, perhaps you'd know the difference between hunters going after game for sport and the government culling populations of certain animals to regulate their numbers.
     
  6. ckparrothead

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    Wow. Love the part about a $150 bounty for a severed wolf foreleg.
     
  7. resnor

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    What's wrong with a bounty on animals that are a problem? My grandfather used to do that when he was a kid, growing up during the Depression. They had bounties on porcupines, coyotes, all sorts of animals here in NH.
     
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    This is one thing I never understood. Doesn't nature have its own way of culling populations? Seems man only does more damage when he attempts to balance the equation. JMO though.
     
  9. schmolioot

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    I merely posed the question. Celt posted an article, I read it and thanked him.

    If this were merely for hunting, I would stand by the point.
     
  10. schmolioot

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    Even if it's necessary, it is a pretty brutal practice.
     
  11. Phinz420

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    Ever been to a sausage factory?
     
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    I thought that wolves, or at least most species of them were on the federal endangered protected list. Or were anyway. If that is the case, state laws can only make a federal law more restrictive but not more lenient. Even if they were taken off the pretocted list, i would think it to be a bit much to post bounties on them now.
     
  13. DeDolfan

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    Typically, in the past, bounties were put on animals that affected domestic livestock. But to protect wild herds of moose, caribou, etc, is another matter. It is the natural order of things. Usually, wolves cull out the weak, sick animals, ensuring the strong ones survive, etc.
     
  14. Darkoak

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    Yellowstone park was devastated by the fact they killed off the wolf population in it. They had to import wolves from Canada to re-seed the park with a wolf population. Wolf kills have always been and will always be stupid. Any hunter worth their salt knows wolves are part of the ecosystem. If there's too many wolves, their food supply drops and they starve off to a reasonable number. It's called nature.
     
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    Before that happens the wolves will kill a lot of livestock and pets in whatever communities are nearby.
     
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    If wolves are getting in to human things, and killing pets and stuff like that, then they don't necessariliy just die off when the herds get thinned out.
     
  17. Phinz420

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    I know this is kind of off-topic, but this reminds me of the famous Libertarian magicians episode on the Endangered Species Act.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PufNFWo9mm0]YouTube - P&T Bull**** Endangered Species Part 1[/ame]



    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qix0up-b2h4]YouTube - P&T Bull**** Endangered Species Part 2[/ame]
     
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    That's the price for living in an area with wildlife. I mean here there have been some bear attacks lately in Vancouver. Well the urban sprawl is putting houses right into their territories, what do you think is going to happen? If you are going to live across the street from bear habitat you are going to confront bears, common sense would dictate that I believe.

    My take is wolf populations affecting hunters ability to find game is more the reason for the wolf kill in Alaska. There are still some people that see wolves as vermin of all things. Sickening really.
     
  19. Darkoak

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    This is the exception not the rule.
     
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    But, question is, is that what is happening now in Alaska to prompt these bounties?
     
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    Along these same lines, this county I live in supposedly raises more broilers [chickens] than any other in the US. We also have several operating dairy farms left in the area as well and we're in probably one of the fastes growing areas in the mid atlantic region. I find it quite amusing when some hot shot developer comes in and build a huge fancy subdivision which homes sell for >half mil alot of times and after these ppl move in, they ***** about the smell and sometimes go to court to have the farmers, smetimes 4th and 5th generation farmers to cease operations and the odor. So far, no suits have been sucessful yet.
     
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  22. Rick 1966

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    The problem is, man has already changed the equation. When nature "culls the herd," it frequently leads to entire populations disappearing. We don't want the entire populations to disappear since there aren't enough numbers elsewhere to replace them, so we have to cull them this way.
     
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    Typically in nature, one year is better than another in that some years the "food chain" flourishes more than others, do to weather, less droughts, etc. During the good years, populations thrive and grow but during lean years, the food supply is down, animals dor not reproduce as prolifically so as to protect the "seed stock". predators then die off usually by starvation or whatever. it is a cruel way to die but it is nature, just the same.
     
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    That right there was my first thought. Basically, they're so worried about the wolves killing off the caribou and moose, because hunters (Sarah Palin included) want to kill them instead. The answer? Kill the bears and wolves. Then hunters get to kill wolves, collect bounties, and kill more caribou and moose, too. Everyone wins! (except the ecosystem).
     
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  25. schmolioot

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    Come on CK. Her ability to kill a moose is one of her chief qualifications for VP.
     
  26. ckparrothead

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    So is her ability to irresponsibly decide to get pregnant at 44 years of age.
     
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  27. schmolioot

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    :lol:

    You're getting filleted for that one my friend.
     
  28. Rick 1966

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    Good Lord. :no:
    Sad and pathetic.
     
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    If you say so. Not much different from getting pregnant at 24 and deciding you're damn well within your rights to swig back a bunch of whiskey whenever you feel up to it.
     
  30. Fin D

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    You couldn't be more wrong.

    When you hunt, you don't take the weakest specimen, which is nature's way. You take the strongest most impressive specimen. These specimens are generally the leader of their group or herd. These leaders control the population by selective breeding. The control other males from breeding in their herd. When that leader is gone, especially without a challenge, each herd goes through a period where it is group of males doing indiscriminate breeding. Hence the population goes up. Especially when you factor in the removal of predators. Yellowstone is a perfect example of this.

    The point is nature has this down, leave it alone. People's desire to kill, shouldn't supersede nature's ability for life.
     
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    Once more, we aren't TALKING about sport hunting, we're speaking of wolf culls ordered by the government.
     
  32. Fin D

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    You're right, the population boom in Alaska must be why there's so many wolves. :pity:
     
  33. Rick 1966

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    I have no idea what you're trying to say and I am 100% sure it has nothing to do with anything I said.
    BTW, you do know that the wolf population in Alaska is somewhere around 11.000 right?
     
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    You've got to be kidding me. I know plenty of women who have had kids in their 40's and they were just fine. I also know plenty of women who had kids in their 20's, and they were born with mental deficiencies, and other sorts of problems.

    Just disgusting how low libs will stoop.
     
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  35. schmolioot

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    Well considering Obama's been called a terrorist and now a pervert, I would say it cuts both ways.
     
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    The question is really what WON'T libs stoop to.
     
  37. Darkoak

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    This thread is really off the rails now.
     
  38. Rick 1966

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    Yeah, amazing how a bunch of libs trying to out-smear each other can throw a thread off the rails, huh?
     
  39. Fin D

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    First of all, do you know if 11,000 is too much for the area? Is it too little? Are 11,000 wolves hurting the environment there? Numbers are great, but pointless without anything behind them. For all you know, that environment needs 20,000 wolves to control the herd populations.
     
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    Rick that wasn't directed at you, dude chill out.
     
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