I'm out on Tannehill

"Rhody Phins Fan wrote:

This is a defense that held the Patriots to 17 points last week, and Brady to 182 yds 1td 1int. They're certainly not a bad defense.

they are the defense that gave up a perfect qb rating to geno smith, they are indeed a horrible defense.

"djphinfan wrote:

he didn't put up enough points period in a game like this at home, he didn't make one play on his own to do so, he made some throws here and there but other than than that he was static in the pocket and really lacks a feel for the position, doesn't anticipate where pressure is coming from, he follows the script of what he supposed to do, if there are any deviations to that script...play is dead.. Imo that type of game is t going to sustain come playoff time

I like ya and all Deej, but PLEASE! He was sacked 6 times, knocked down all day, under constant duress...and completed a 3rd and 15 on a play that Sheldon Richardson concussed himself off Ryan's helmet on a no-call illegal hit!!!

Brady and Manning and every other QB absolutely fold under that kind of duress. RT has been a warrior and a baller.

"jdang307 wrote:

My only argument was Tanny doesn't possess the pocket and field awareness Romo and Big Ben have. Anything else, was strawman created by you.

Perhaps you'd like to read it once more to refresh your memory.

Where in my post do I talk about December records, choking, or anything of the ilk. Please bold it for me. Thank you.

LOL ok your right you didnt, I just tend to look at qbs in relation to there teams success. but by all means Romo runs around great, didnt translate into anymore wins or postseason success until the defense improved adn the oline improved. but hey your qb running around and getting hurt year after year and still sitting around at home come playoff time. Thats my point, his elite pocket awareness got him where? thats my point. but hey if you want a qb that takes a few less sacks for the same results, fine by me.

I wont argue Big Ben, I think Big Ben is a better qb. but that doesnt mean we cant win with RT

"shamegame13 wrote:

Only on a Phins forum does a pedestrian RT17 against a pathetic pass D have a better game then a RB who ran for 178 on 19 carrys. Lamar Miller was easily hands down best player for Phins today.

I'm not knocking Miller, he gave all he could today. But when the game was on the line it was Tannehill being asked to make play after play, while under pressure, with a very pedestrian WR group.

"Piston Honda wrote:

I'm not knocking Miller, he gave all he could today. But when the game was on the line it was Tannehill being asked to make play after play, while under pressure, with a very pedestrian WR group.

and a below pedestrian O line

I questioned whether they should play Tanny today...

My god, it was even brutal watching it on gamecast. 7 sacks, huh? Just as I feared.

"speed wrote:

This thread fails on so many levels it's sad. Finheaven material.

Is there a way to move it there?

Im sorry your upset..try to articulate your frustrations as best you can, and we'll see if we can meet your standards of discussion..

"Rhody Phins Fan wrote:

This is a defense that held the Patriots to 17 points last week, and Brady to 182 yds 1td 1int. They're certainly not a bad defense.

What?
They allowed 24 ... IN THE 3RD QUARTER to the Pats

Not to mention his #1, for whatever reason, was taken away today,

"DePhinistr8 wrote:

What?
They allowed 24 ... IN THE 3RD QUARTER to the Pats

He is talking about the Jets bro

"djphinfan wrote:

he didn't put up enough points period in a game like this at home, he didn't make one play on his own to do so, he made some throws here and there but other than than that he was static in the pocket and really lacks a feel for the position, doesn't anticipate where pressure is coming from, he follows the script of what he supposed to do, if there are any deviations to that script...play is dead.. Imo that type of game is t going to sustain come playoff time

I'm telling you man, trying to teach them what intangibles are isn't gonna work, they will never understand.

"djphinfan wrote:

he didn't put up enough points period in a game like this at home, he didn't make one play on his own to do so, he made some throws here and there but other than than that he was static in the pocket and really lacks a feel for the position, doesn't anticipate where pressure is coming from, he follows the script of what he supposed to do, if there are any deviations to that script...play is dead.. Imo that type of game is t going to sustain come playoff time

How about expecting the defense to stop the 3-12 jets from marching up and down the field? the offense scored 24 points and oh yeah the Miller run was a read option and ryan read pace right and handed the ball off so thats where I have the issue. why is it instead of expecting the defense to carry its weight we expect RT 100% of the time to overcome

"Pandarilla wrote:

I questioned whether they should play Tanny today...

My god, it was even brutal watching it on gamecast. 7 sacks, huh? Just as I feared.

there was a stat they posted sometime in the first half the related to qb pressure it was something like

20 dropback 2 sacks 5 knockdowns 7 hits or something like that. the drive before halftime tannehill was hit every single play, and im not talking about soft hits, the guy was getting planted, including a couple of helmet to helmet shots.

"Sethdaddy8 wrote:

I like ya and all Deej, but PLEASE! He was sacked 6 times, knocked down all day, under constant duress...and completed a 3rd and 15 on a play that Sheldon Richardson concussed himself off Ryan's helmet on a no-call illegal hit!!!

Brady and Manning and every other QB absolutely fold under that kind of duress. RT has been a warrior and a baller.

he's a warrior, tough sob, just don't think he has enough when the stakes get higher..it's not all on tannehill, returning head coach got outcoached, but that's another thread

"speed wrote:

He is talking about the Jets bro

Oh my mistake...failed reading comprehension on my part....my apologies Rhody

Yes .. the Jets D certainly had turned it on lately

"shamegame13 wrote:

I'm telling you man, trying to teach them what intangibles are isn't gonna work, they will never understand.

clearly you dont understand

and dont condescend to think yiu are so much smarter than everyone else here

not one time did the qb break the pocket.. Yall don't think there is a problem there? Lol

"djphinfan wrote:

he's a warrior, tough sob, just don't think he has enough when the stakes get higher..it's not all on tannehill, returning head coach got outcoached, but that's another thread

But to me, that all counts in the evaluation of the player (to an extent). Especially a player as raw as Ryan, and who has improved significantly each season under less than ideal circumstances

"Piston Honda wrote:

I'm not knocking Miller, he gave all he could today. But when the game was on the line it was Tannehill being asked to make play after play, while under pressure, with a very pedestrian WR group.

I was just replying to the poster that said RT17 was best player on the field today, when I was just letting it be known that LM26 was indeed best player for Phins today.

"JMHPhin wrote:

clearly you dont understand

and dont condescend to think yiu are so much smarter than everyone else here

I guess we figured out what the 13 refers to.

"djphinfan wrote:

not one time did the qb break the pocket.. Yall don't think there is a problem there? Lol

OLine problem , yeah I do think there is a problem .

"djphinfan wrote:

he's a warrior, tough sob, just don't think he has enough when the stakes get higher..it's not all on tannehill, returning head coach got outcoached, but that's another thread

You simply cannot know if he has enough because Tannehill is not even close to being the limiting factor holding the success of this team. He's probably not even the 2nd, 3rd or 4th limiting factor holding down this team. Until you can safely say Tannehill is the bottleneck for this team's success, you cannot say he doesn't have what it takes.

To culminate your opinion on him in a game like today, under all the circumstances present, forgive me dj, but I think it to be beneath your intelligence.

"djphinfan wrote:

not one time did the qb break the pocket.. Yall don't think there is a problem there? Lol

yeah I do. but if you think that cost us anything your wrong.

There were also times that you believe he should have escaped that he couldnt have. Tannehill can run but he is not the fastest off the first step. yes I would like him to escape more, but IMO he is learning that fine line of escaping and giving up on a play. I have also seen improvement in his pocket movement so in the end I dont think he is luck or Wilson but just below and we can win with that

"djphinfan wrote:

not one time did the qb break the pocket.. Yall don't think there is a problem there? Lol

No, I honestly don't. Our QB isn't Russell Wilson. He's a pocket passer... like most other QBs. There are a couple rare ones that are great passers who can also take off (Rogers, Luck, etc). But that's ok. You don't need that to be a great QB and we don't need that to win. It would be nice to have, but isn't a necessity. Tannehill has the necessities, and then some. QB isn't the problem on this team. I honestly don't even believe it's remotely close.

"JMHPhin wrote:

yeah I do. but if you think that cost us anything your wrong.

There were also times that you believe he should have escaped that he couldnt have. Tannehill can run but he is not the fastest off the first step. yes I would like him to escape more, but IMO he is learning that fine line of escaping and giving up on a play. I have also seen improvement in his pocket movement so in the end I dont think he is luck or Wilson but just below and we can win with that

to break the pocket you need a place to run to, and when pressure is coming from the inside the way it was there was nowhere to go.