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I'm really starting to warm up to the idea of drafting McFadden

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rocky Raccoon, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I was one of the people who thought it would be stupid to draft McFadden with the first pick when we already have Ronnie and much bigger holes to fill. However, I've been thinking about it a lot lately and it can be a really good thing. Think about it, we would be just like the Saints and Cowboys and other teams in the league...2 star running backs. Two different style runners. Think about how benificial it would be in December and yes, January to have 2 running backs that are fresh because they've been splitting time all year. The positive seems to outweigh the negative here. Not to mention, with the aquisition of another WR and TE, our offense would be set for the next 10 years with guys like Beck, Ronnie, McFadden, Ginn, Satele, Carey, etc. Now I understand there is still a lot that can happen and trust me I would NOT be disappointed if we drafting Glenn Dorsey either, but now I see what the McFadden camp is thinking.
     
  2. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    /me sighs

    Yah it's going to be great to have 2 running backs splitting about 11 total carries while the Phins go down 14-0 in the first because of no defense.
     
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  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    To me the only players possible we draft if we dont trade down are

    Glenn Dorsey
    McFadden
    Chris Long
    Jake Long
    Matt Ryan
    Brian Brohm

    Jake Long is the only one that would upset me. Personally I want Matt Ryan or Brohm. I think this is going to be the last chance we have at drafting a franchise type QB. After missing out on Cutler I dont want to hang my hat on Beck unless I see something that reminds me of Brees instead of Fiedler
     
  4. Vertical Limit

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    Cowboys has 2 star running backs? Since when? Julius Jones is garbage, and I'm not completely sold on Marion Barber as a franchise caliber running back.

    The Saints only have one good running back and that's Deuce McAllister. Reggie Bush is a slot receiver/punt returner. An average of 3.7 yards per carry isn't going to cut it in this league.
     
  5. Rocky Raccoon

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    fine, how about the Jaguars? The Vikings?

    the point is we'd have 2 very talented running backs who could stay fresh by splitting carries.

    And let's get this straight, I wouldn't have any problem drafting Dorsey or someone like Chris Long. But now I see the point in drafting McFadden.
     
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  6. Betters75

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    I dsagree, We can not pass up a player like Mcfadden.

    We still have 5-6 good players on defence. If we draft 6 players plus a couple of free agents, and if are young players step up we should be OK fore a while!
    I like a two-headed monster better than Samkon Gado!

    By the way fire f$#in Cam now!!!
     
  7. unifiedtheory

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    Glenn Dorsey.
     
  8. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    We already have 2 talented running backs in our team that make plays consistently when our offensive line blocks good.

    If we are going to draft a running back as insurance just incase Ronnie Brown isn't 100% (I fully expect him to come back stronger than before), you go after a Kevin Smith with our 2nd pick [which is a late 1st rounder as of right now, 32nd overall].

    But as of right now, Glenn Dorsey.
     
  9. NJFINSFAN1

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    he is the only pick, unless we trade down which would be my best option.
     
  10. NJFINSFAN1

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    The Cowboys are drooling over Macf. Jones will not be offered a contract, they love Barber for his tough inside running. But Jones is an Arkansas guy and sees Mac, Romo, TO as the modern day Smith, Aikman and Irvin.
     
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  11. Vertical Limit

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    Should be interesting really. We all know that Jones loves McFadden, and the Falcons need a running back, they also need to trade DeAngelo Hall as he isn't happy in that organization.

    I still like Dorsey though.
     
  12. billsfaninpeace

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    Though the talent probably does intrigue a lot of people.

    I think it would not be the smartedt move to draft McFadden. I mean serious a 2nd overall (Ronnie I think) and now a 1st overall on a RB.

    Not to mention you would have to sign him to a contract comparable to Russell.

    The best thing for an obvious rebuilding team is to trade down and go from there.

    You cannot tie to much money into ONE pick. Let alone another RB



    Heck wait and take Felix jones later if he declares.
     
  13. sports24/7

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    There isn't a team in the league with two star running backs. Everyone points to the Vikings, but that is almost all Adrian Peterson. Yes, Chester Taylor is a good player, but had Peterson not gotten hurt you wouldn't hear much about Taylor. The thing that bothers me about people advocating for McFadden is that they think it would be some sort of thunder and lightning combo. To me that wouldn't be very smart. You play the best player. If McFadden is the better player, then I don't want Ronnie eating into his carries and vice-versa. Sure, if one gets hurt then you have another great back, but you can't use the #1 overall pick as an insurance policy. Running back is the one position that the Dolphins don't have to do an absolute thing to in the offseason. They have a star in Ronnie, a very good backup in Chatman, and good receiving threat in Booker. On the other hand there are two game changing defensive players that could be the first step towards turning around this defense in Dorsey and Long sitting there. You can't make a luxury pick with the #1 overall pick when your team has so many glaring holes.
     
  14. SCall13

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    Right on. McFadden would definetly be a luxury pick. The only thing that worries me is how Ronnie will recover from the major knee injury and you have to wonder about his durability in general seeing that he has not played a full 16 games in 3 seasons. If we were hurting for a running back, McFadden would obviously be a no-brainer. But given the improvement in our line, and the liklihood that it will improve even more, then it's fair to say we're safe to wait on drafting a RB until later in the draft - if at all.

    The thing we can't afford to do is pass up an opportunity to take a franchise -type defensive player to build a defense around. Or squander the opportunity to stockpile more picks. Given the state of our defense (and parts of our offense) it would be a bad idea to draft someone like McFadden (though talented he is) at the expense of building the core of this team. It's VERY possible to have a great core out of this single draft if we play our cards right and have a little luck on our side. IT's been a long season, but we are sitting on an opportunity to infuse a lot of young talent into this team that can make us contenders for years to come. It's just not worth it to draft McFadden.
     
  15. Jsbaugh

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    Yea, lets draft a QB with the first pick so we can guarantee another rebuilding year as they learn the system and end up getting beat out by Beck in training camp. You need a reality check and face the fact that Miami is not going to take a QB in the first round. If anything you pickup a QB in FA and use the #1 pick to gain a couple picks in the first round.
     
  16. VanDolPhan

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    Err sounds like your short on reality.

    If Beck doesn't turn things around these last 4 games to show a lot of promise it's going to cost his GM and Coach their jobs which means a new coach who will want his own QB.
     
  17. adamprez2003

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    You're the only one to need a reality check. There arent any QBs available in free agency next year. We are definitely drafting one its just a matter of what round. What will determine the round is the confidence that Mueller and Cameron have in Beck developing into a quality QB. If Beck causes them to doubt his ability, Ryan or Brohm will be our QB. If Beck has them confident that he can get the job done, then there are a ton of QBs that we can draft in later rounds
     
  18. dolfan32323

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    DMac can score. He will be a stud. We just need the best player plain and simple now.
     
  19. Mr.Majestik

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    Running backs are complimentary pieces

    not building blocks. Running backs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Great running backs are a dime a dozen. The Saints drafted Reggie Bush with the second pick in the draft, and gave him a 50 mil. contract, and he's been outproduced by a wide margin by late-first round picks like Joseph Addai and Laurence Maroney, and second-round pick Maurice Jones-Drew. Terrell Davis was a fifth-rounder. Tiki Barber was a second-rounder. Curtis Martin a third-rounder. Etc. etc. Why in god's name would we spend the first overall pick on a running back, when a) we already have a highly paid franchise back, b) we have holes everywhere else? We do operate under the constraints of a salary cap, you cannot have that much payroll tied up in one position.

    Running backs are plug-in-and-play, they are typically one of the last pieces inserted into the puzzle when a team is building from scratch. Great teams are built from the lines back, and from the middle out. We need defensive and offensive linemen first. A solid quarterback. Receivers, and secondary help, then, if we had a glaring need at the position, which we do not, then we'd need a running back. The Cowboys are fixated on McFadden, and that makes sense for them, because they're close to where they need to be, but they do not possess enough in terms of trade value to get him. They'd have to trade their entire draft, then half of next year's draft to give value considering how low they'll be picking in each round. Besides, everyone needs to forget trading down, because no one wants the pick. When was the last time someone traded into the top slot? The track record of top overall picks is very poor, and the money spent is ridiculous. The names Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Troy Aikman, Orlando Pace, Bruce Smith and John Elway are far outnumbered by the likes of Alex Smith, Jeff George, Steve Emtman, Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Courtney Brown, David Carr, Tim Couch, Ki-Jana Carter, Dan Wilkinson, Russell Maryland, Aundray Bruce, and Tom Cousineau. Even very good players like Bo Jackson and Billy Sims were not good enough long enough to justify being the top overall pick. The fact is having the top overall pick isn't a great thing to have. When the Texans had it two years ago they either had to take Mario Williams, Reggie Bush, or D'Brick Ferguson. Williams and Ferguson have been ascending-type players, but they've not been superstars, and Reggie Bush is a flat-out bust.
     
  20. Idahophin

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    I don't see Cam drafting a running back when he has Ronnie on his roster. Now Cam might try and bring Turner here from the Chargers. I hope we draft for our D or hope for a trade down partner.
     
  21. Carabinieri44

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    i posted it before but got no responses...

    do u guys think we may try to go Offense in the 1st and 2nd round? our offense isnt terrible, with Carey being a lock (IMO) at LT, Satele a lock at C, and then Liwienski, Hadnot, Lekkerkerker, Mormino for Guard...a Ricky, Ronnie, Jesse backfield, Beck at QB, and a young receiver corps of Ginn/Hagan/LBooker....seems liker we need another receiver and a good tight end and we are set.

    with that said...does anyone think we may try to trade up and draft DeSean Jackson (WR, Cal)? then draft Cherilus (OT, BC) in the 2nd round to take Shelton's spot at RT, then perhaps a flashy tight end in the late 2nd? really, all Beck needs is some better protection and another 2 guys to get open, and this offense will light up!

    then from rounds 3-7, u can draft total defense. along with trying to get some FA's like Haynesworth or Hall maybe?
     
  22. cnc66

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    no way we tie up all the resources in a position we don't NEED to address.. Cam would be an absolute idiot to WASTE the first pick on anything but defense and if he does, I hope he gets his walking papers the next day.. this is just a really stupid idea..
     
  23. NaboCane

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    if we had 3 starting-caliber qb's on the roster and the bpa was a qb, would you advocate choosing him with the first overall pick?

    how about if that were the case, and your team had so many needs, so many legitimate holes, and no depth at all at any position except qb - what about then?

    because that's what we have at rb in 2008 - 3 starting-caliber backs in ronnie, chatman and ricky. possibly 5, with cobb and possibly gado or another pickup along the way.

    with as much as this team needs big, strong offensive linemen and a nt - and de's who can get to the passer; with as much as we need at least ONE good player in a secondary stocked with players who couldn't start on most other teams; with how much we need a tall wr with sticky hands to make life easier for our young qb - with all that, and you'll choose a rb?,
     
  24. Rocky Raccoon

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    that's different and you know it Nabo...only 1 QB plays...but you can do so much with 2 good RB'S playing at the same time.

    I've been blasted pretty good in this thread and that's what I expected, I'm just trying to think outside the box here.
     
  25. adamprez2003

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    Oh I'm back. I was in a very happy place imagining that:laugh:
     
  26. NaboCane

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    dude, no way i'm blasting you. it's a valid thought as to bpa in this particular draft...but it's wrong for us imo because of the embarrassment of wealth we have at one position, even if ricky flakes again.

    best scenario for us would be to trade down for reasonable value and pick up two more fisrt-day picks, plus some second-days or firsts next year.
     
  27. emocomputerjock

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    Mcfadden, Dorsey, and Chris Long are exceptional talents. We can't really go wrong with any of them. Mcfadden is at the position of least need, but come draft day we'll have a better idea of where to go.
     
  28. adamprez2003

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    Although I'm against drafting McFadden for a variety of reasons. McFadden, Ronnie and Ricky would be an interesting comparison to Zonk, Kiick and Morris
     
  29. Rocky Raccoon

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    well Ive said this in assuming Ricky and Chatman won't be here next year.

    Someone brought up the idea in another thread to make a trade with Dallas that would include Marion Barber and allow them to take McFadden. That would be interesting.
     
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  30. NaboCane

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    and that would be phenomenal - if we had the comparable jim langer, bob keuchenberg, larry little, manny fernandez, nick buoniconti, bob matheson, jake scott and tim foley.

    without that, we're the oakland raiders today - or the buffalo bills then.
     
  31. n9necount

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    I think Ronnie's status in April will weigh in heavily as to what we do with the #1. Although, our medical staff has made some critical errors in the past so hopefully they get multiple professional opinions this time.

    Obviously, picking at #1 is a royal pain in the *** unless you get that trade offer. I'd rather be picking at #2 that way we just take BPA and not have to agonize over the decision for years to come.
     
  32. padre31

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    Exactly, for all of the Dorsey "hope" it is all based on his 2006 season and his "potential" of course once he is cleared by our "crack" Medical Staff...

    Players who can score from anywhere on the field are such a rare commodity, it is hard to see passing up one for a player whose view window is Albert Haynesworth...

    That and our Offense is much closer to being top ten in the NFL, our defense will take at least two more drafts and maybe a good Free Agent or two just to be adequate.

    We have another first round pick, we have a second, and a third, we can rebuild with those and take McFadden #1 not only as an insurance policy against Ronnie's fragility, but also as a Game Breaker for us.

    That and I cannot believe anyone thinks we have good running back depth, and then mention Ricky Williams, and Gado, and Cobbs, my goodness, that is not wise at all, Rickey is Rickey, play time with the Fins is over for him (hopefully) Gado was walking the street after being cut by the Texans, and Cobbs has had 2 good preseasons.

    Whether we take Darren McFadden or not, we have no serious depth at running back at all.
     
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    agreed, all three would greatly improve this team. The FO now has to decide which position do we need to focus on. I think the obvious move is to trade down if it is a possibility. If not, and especially if we trade Taylor or he retires we should look to C.Long IMO. As I've said before however, I would glady take any of these three and absolutely hate to see any in a Jets/Pats/Bills uni.
     
  34. NaboCane

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    and as for dorsey...forgive what i'm sure is tantamount to blasphemy here, but has anyone taken notice of dorsey's size?

    yeah, he's a monster in college; but at 290, isn't he a bit light for nt in the pro's - even for dt? which begs the question: does he have the frame for more muscle, or can he play de in a 3-4?
     
  35. NaboCane

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    i say we take taylor, package him with the #1 and take the lion's share of someone's draft this year and some of it next...a team which has bodies, but needs those last couple of pieces to get to the championship level.

    just a thought.
     
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    I don't like Glen Dorsey he has to many injuries alread, Drafting someone that high who already has a back injury is scarey to me. Don't forget Cam was not a big Ronnie fan during training camp.
     
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  37. padre31

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    Dorsey playing on the outside makes more sense to me at least, we still don't know if we will be a 3-4 or 4-3 team next year so that is up in the air.

    Dorsey, Wright, Taylor, Moses, and who though? Solai is green as broccoli, it will take time for him to play at an NFL level if he ever does, so we would still be short a DT or three, and void of a true NFL NT in a 3-4.

    Dorsey or Long at DE is a no brainer, go with Dorsey IMO.
     
  38. adamprez2003

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    We can get Jeremy Thompson of Wake Forest with our 2nd 2nd rounder or even 3rd possibly. That guy is going to be a beast. He'll probably move up fast though after the all star games
     
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    Well, if we assume that Thompson is available, and he can play ball for us, we run into Wanny Sunny point #2:

    We will have no quality depth behind him.

    We really are that depleted on the Dline specifically at the DT position.

    Roth and Wright and so far Moses can give us quality minutes, but none of those players are really stay at home and clog the running lanes type of players.
     
  40. sports24/7

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    I don't think you deserve to be blasted for the thought. McFadden is a special talent and the thought had crossed my mind to take him with the pick. But then I thought about The best player should play most of the snaps making the other back almost useless barring injury. I also thought about the depth the Dolphins have at that position and the huge needs on defense and it just doesn't seem like the right move. You also have to look at the importance of position. While a great back can really help an offense there are a ton of great backs that never won anything. Just look at the best backs in football right now. LT hasn't really gotten the Chargers very far until last year when their defense really turned into a dominant unit. Larry Johnson barely snuck into the playoffs last year and the Chiefs are pretty bad this year. Stephen Jackson hasn't gone far in the playoffs. Even when Ricky was sober and running strong the Dolphins didn't play in one playoff game with him. Teams should be built from the inside out on both sides of the ball and while it looks like the offensive line is coming along nicely the defensive line is in shambles.
     

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