Incognito Cut by Bills- May Want to Keep Playing

"CaribPhin wrote:

So you glossed over the fact that Jonathan Martin stopped just short of threatening to kill Incognito, just because you really like how strong he is? He's a racist **** who needs to face into obscurity. His greatest contribution to this team was that time we found out his dad posted here.

Big surprise, his old man was off too.

I don't condone what Incognito said, but it to this day it says something to me that after the whole bullying incident happened it seemed that pretty much the entire team, both black players and white players, seemed to support Incognito. If I remember correctly the whole locker room was laughing about those texts too.

Not trying to paint Incognito out to be some kind of great person, but it seems to me he was actually well liked in the locker room by the Dolphins including the black players. Clearly Richie's brash personality/mental health issues combined with Martin's mental health issues was a bad combination though

"CaribPhin wrote:

I think there's a bear market on OG's who call their teammate a "half-ni**** piece of ****". I guess it's easy to look past it if he pushes other people well.

The fact guys like Pouncey supported him despite this, tells me that for whatever reason, stuff like that was deemed acceptable in that locker room.

The Dolphins have long had a culture problem, so this doesn’t shock me.

I also will walk that line people have created and say...he was obviously joking. I don’t know if that makes it okay, I’m not in that locker room.

But I’ll bet you 10x out of 10, something like “that white mf” is said in locker rooms much more prevelant than nigger. Either both of those comments are acceptable or neither are.

All this being said? Taking Richie back would be a PR nightmare.

"CaribPhin wrote:

So you glossed over the fact that Jonathan Martin stopped just short of threatening to kill Incognito, just because you really like how strong he is? He's a racist **** who needs to face into obscurity. His greatest contribution to this team was that time we found out his dad posted here.

Big surprise, his old man was off too.

I read a 600+ page report.....you read a Tweet....and I glossed over something? Martin has a law degree and he knew exactly what he was doing there, once again taking the cowardly way out of a situation by blaming others for his own inability to cope.

"KeyFin wrote:

I read a 600+ page report.....you read a Tweet....and I glossed over something? Martin has a law degree and he knew exactly what he was doing there, once again taking the cowardly way out of a situation by blaming others for his own inability to cope.

Martin does not have a law degree. In fact he only received his four year degree after he retired from the NFL and went back to Stanford to finish college. I believe his mother has a law degree but while Martin was accepted to Harvard law school prior to being drafted by the Dolphins, he never attended Harvard or any other law school.

While he obviously has book intelligence, he has had many other psychological issues he has had to deal with going all the way back to his high school years. Perhaps he will hopefully resolve his issues
over the coming years but as of right now, he just appears to be a lost soul trying to cope on a daily basis.

"CaribPhin wrote:

Jonathan Martin and Incognito were not friends. Martin tried to fit in but never actually liked the culture. He was arrested this year for posting a vague, threatening message about school shooters being pushed to violence by bullies. He tagged his own former high school as well as Incognito and Mike Pouncey, suggesting that their bullying drove him to the point of wanting to kill someone. Please end this narrative right now.

https://deadspin.com/jonathan-martin-taken-into-custody-after-threatening-in-1823275206

I can't get down with having a player who would call his teammate a "half-ni**** piece of ****", especially in a league that won't sign Colin Kaepernick because he's a 'distraction'. Incognito represents the worst in humanity. If Miami signs him, I'm out. The NFL has shown me on numerous occasions that they will throw me and people who look like me under the bus to appease their more extreme and often racist fans. I've drawn a line and will not support a team that employs any form of bigot or abuser (domestic or otherwise).

lol...Lot's of hyperbole AND understatement in the same post. I'm impressed.

Ingognito isn't the worst in humanity nor does he represent that. I mean, are you seriously going to say that 'Cogs and someone like Hitler are one in the same? You call 'Cogs "racist" and then say he and Pouncey (who is black) were partners in crime. That doesn't sound like a racist to me. I guess slinging poop and hoping something sticks is the preferred way to slander someone nowadays?

And to interpret what Martin did as "vague" is why kids get shot in schools.

The only narrative being pushed is that Martin was a poor little bullied kid and 'Cogs is a racist.

As for what he did to that woman at the charity event, THAT is a reason to criticize him. And I would call him a POS for that. What transpired between him and Martin was nothing. Martin is mentally unstable.

"CaribPhin wrote:

I didn't read a tweet. I cited a police investigation into threats made by a former NFL player against two NFL players. Martin tried to fit in at the behest of the coaches and players but he didn't enjoy his time there. Locker rooms are very fraternal and they defend each other, often when they're wrong. The players don't get to sanction that.

I don't care if the players sided with Incognito. Why do you care? What justifies calling someone a "half-ni**** piece of ****". I assure you if you called me that and said you were joking, we'd have a big problem.

Why do words hurt so many people today? And it really takes a weak mind to want to fight someone over some words...especially words said in jest.

"CaribPhin wrote:

The only thing more oppressed than a Knicks fan is a white guy. "that white mf" and "half-ni**** piece of ****" are totally on the same level. Besides, you just made that up. Incognito actually called someone that. Please step back and take note of what you're defending and the comparison you're making.

I genuinely like you, but you're not going to sit there and tell me that those two phrases are anything like each other and that "half-ni**** piece of ****" is anything you say to someone who can't handle it. The players saw it as trying to toughen Martin up and Martin saw it as torment. NFL players are meat head jocks, they're not the arbiters of what is appropriate to do or say. It's just like hazing in a fraternity. Sure, the brothers of the org are okay with it, but that's sort of the point. The reason it's illegal is because we don't allow the perpetrators of bad actions to decide if the actions are bad.

If meant it in a malicious way then I agree with you. I just don't think he did or none of his black teammates and some white teammates wouldve openly supported him. So Im not defending what he said, unless it was chalked up as you said meat head jock talk. Even then im not defending as much as I am saying I don't think that particular message he left deserves as much attention as it gets.

Without context it is certainly not cool or acceptable and really not funny either by any means. But the fact it was "accepted" right or wrong suggests to me that it was a small brick in the bullying wall.

I guess my point is, that comment was like the 6th thing wrong with Richie Incgnito, the groping of the girl for example to me is a much worse thing to do.

Mods are gonna be here soon:

"CaribPhin wrote:

You just called him bullying a mentally unstable person "nothing". I already explained why the locker room would rally behind a guy even if he's wrong. Again, Pouncey's loyalty allows him to defend a CONVICTED MURDERER. Do you not see how his judgement isn't the best and how toxic locker room culture can be.

Besides, Dylann Roof was friends with a black teen and still shot up a black church. Race and racism isn't this black and white thing. Slave master's routinely raped slaves even though they saw them as subhuman. There's a lot of nuance that you lack on this topic. I just wish you'd have the grace to accept that someone who has to live while black has a better grasp on how racism operates.

Oh jeez...

Yes, and a brain surgeon can't possible operate on a tumor unless he's had a tumor, right?

Please stop with the "only black people can be victims of racism" stuff.

Black slave owners also raped their black slaves and still do to this day. Your point?

Dylan Roof, obviously, wasn't "friends" with black people. And he was more crazy than Martin. He's a self-confirmed white supremacist. That's like saying an American spy who infiltrated a Nazi camp during WWII was also a Nazi.