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  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Interesting that Mike Nolan was the deal breaker, more than likely along with Jeff Ireland, but they clearly like the job Nolan did this season.
     
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  2. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    That also tells me they like the job Jeff Ireland is doing.
     
  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Also says the structure is in place to Ross's satisfaction, he was not thrilled with the job Tony S did in Ross's mind.
     
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  4. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    Well it looks like sparano is staying. We need to find ourselves one heck of an OC.
     
  5. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    lol where have you been to think thats in stone?!
     
  6. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    That's the problem with giving a guy - no matter who they are - full control. Cowher would likely get rid of Nolan just because he want's it HIS way. However, you have to believe that Cowher could do as well a job as Nolan with the pieces we have in place on defense. I still think Ross will reconsider if Harbaugh falls through. It's clear he was just gauging interest.
     
  7. funkdat

    funkdat New Member

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    It's clear to me now we need a new owner.
     
  8. NolePhin

    NolePhin Look out for D-Bess

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    The question is, how much does Ross really know about football and what so and so does and all that.
     
  9. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    I think if Cowher walked into Ross' office and said, I will become Miami Dolphins head coach, you can keep Ireland as GM, but I need my own staff...Cowher would be the coach by tomorrow.

    It has more to do with giving a coach full control over personnel decisions IMO.
     
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  10. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If you are hiring someone as a head coach, let them be a head coach. They should hire whom ever they want for the cordinators, and run what ever system they want. You want the O and the D working together. If you don't like what the Coach wants to do then don't hire them.
     
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  11. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    I think overall, Jeff has done a solid job. Short of the Dez' mother thing, he's hit on more than he's missed, and he's young too. Off the top of my head:

    Hits
    Jake Long
    Davone Bess
    Chad Pennington (for '08)
    Vontae Davis
    Sean Smith
    Brandon Marshall
    Karlos Dansby
    Brian Hartline
    Koa Misi
    Jarrod Odrick (Yes, TBD, but he looked very good in limited action - excited to see him next year)

    Misses
    Pat White
    Pat Turner
    Jake Grove (for injuries)
    Chad Henne (still TBD for final verdit, but not looking good)

    Questionable cuts/trades
    Samson Satale
    Matt Roth
    Ted Ginn, Jr. & family (could've used his speed this year)

    Not all of these hits/misses were all on Jeff, as he was but one part of the Trifecta/Bifecta .... but he did have input! Keep 'em coming Jeff!

    And think of the hits - outside of Penny, all of them could be around for a long time!!
     
  12. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Oh, I'm sure that's definitely a big part of it. Cowher forced out Tom Donahoe in Pittsburgh after the '99 season because of the power struggle over personnel. I think Cowher and Ireland could co-exist, there's just have to be some serious concessions on Jeff's part.

    It's a tough situation though.
     
  13. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    It also points to the possible "throwing under the bus" by Ireland for Sparano. Ross & Ireland had more face time and Ireland, in trying to save himself, planted seeds with Ross that this season was more Sparano's fault than his.
     
  14. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    This could very well be true. He's a young guy w/ aspirations. You would hope not, but it could be.
     
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  15. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Add to the misses - Philip Merling, Donald Thomas, John Nalbone, Justin Smiley, Shawn Murphy, please, he has been mediocre at best. Just as many misses as hits.
     
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  16. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You'd like to think that cowher, if we're going to potentially pay him $8 mill per year, could at least meet with Ireland and see if they can get along. We could always get rid of Ireland later if things really aren't working out.
     
  17. Stringer Bell

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    Having just as many misses as hits makes you a pretty solid GM in the NFL.
     
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  18. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    I like Merling! Well, on the football field anyway. I think he'd be better in a "TBD" category.

    Yes, Thomas, Nalbone and Murphy too, but even great GMs don't hit. Even the genius up in Foxboro has drafted some flops at WR (Jackson) and Merriweather at S. There are more too. Nobody is perfect.

    I think Jeff has done more good than bad, and figures to get better as he goes through more drafts.
     
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    Nolan I believe would be a dealbreaker; but they'd give up Ireland like a fat girl gives up new year's resolutions if Cowher said yes.
     
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  20. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Its an ego Alpha Male thing. He wants complete control from the beginning. I can kinda understand it. I think I would like that too. That way, Ross has to fire Ireland, and Cowher doesn't have to go through all that unpleasantness and can concentrate 100% on winning.
     
  21. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    With Murphy you have a point, Thomas, Nalbone, were late rd picks, Merling has been an okay player I'd call him more of a disappointment than a miss.
     
  22. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    Jim Harbaugh would be a PERFECT fit. I think if he wants the job it is his for the taking. So long Sparano and so long Henning...nah, nah, nah, nah...nah, nah, nah, nah...hey, hey, hey...GOOD-BYE!
     
  23. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Who knows how long Nolan would be around anyway.
    If he is the only reason we didn't hire Bill Cowher they made a huge mistake.
    Hire Cowher and let him work his magic. Screw this we'll keep Sparano in the wings till we find someone better. You have someone better right there.
    To hell with the risk of losing Nolan or Ireland.
     
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  24. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Also have had several football "czars" and they have not worked.
     
  25. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Add John Jerry to the misses.
     
  26. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    Actually what makes NE so great is the coaching after guys get there, and also picking and choosing others throwaways and finding creative ways to use players others don't think can play. They think outside the box more than any other team and that is why they win.

    They are always ahead of the curve. Like the two TEs they drafted last year. They already had a plan for them going into the draft. Now that is coaching !
     
  27. DolfanJake

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    Yeah he was on a decline by the end of the year. Again a miss by Ireland, and one that Sparano failed to "coach up" in his specialty position. You'd think that Sparano would be better than just about anyone at taking a raw OLineman and making him into a player. But he has failed so far in that job.
     
  28. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    Yes, well now we're talking about coaching ....

    True, coaching and FO need to work together like hand in glove, and they've perfected that in NE. It can happen too here dammit ..... right??? please tell me it can, please please!!!
     
  29. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    Yes, probably, but give me one more year to see if he improves. Certainly would be a stretch to imagine him as a future "hit" though.
     
  30. Garryowen

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    Well. we now know that sparano is in for next year.

    I think he won becaue Ross wasn't willing to toss out the good with the bad. Mark
    my words, Mike Nolan is our HC next year. I promise it.
     
  31. krypto

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    How is anything "clear" when you don't know what has been said behind closed doors?
     
  32. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico New Member

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    ...and the Gerbil, Eric Green, Ernest Wilford, Tab Perry, re-siging Crowder.
     
  33. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    You mean it's not clear that Ross was gauging interest? I don't follow.
     
  34. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Ross better find a suitable replacement, because the longer this goes on the more emasculated Sparano becomes. It's like your girlfriend telling you she might break up with you if she can find a new boyfiend. If not, she'll still date you. Unreal. At this point I think they need to either declare Sparano the coach or cut him loose. This can't go on any longer.
     
  35. jdang307

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    Josh McCown, Ernest Wilford, and numerous other FA mistakes.
     
  36. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Add to the hits...Cameron Wake (how could you forget him??), Tony McDaniel, Anthony Fasano, Dan Carpenter.
     
  37. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    This is true for the most part, but I think to Sparano, the Dolphins represent the hottest chick he's ever been with, and he likely will never get one that hot again, so he's willing to wait a few days.

    That said, if they do keep him, they need to extend him through 2012, otherwise - if things go wrong to start next season - he'll simply be the "coach that ownership didn't even really want" to the players.
     
  38. brandon27

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    Agreed. If you're going to do something like Ross and company are doing now, you'd better do it quick. The longer this drags on, the more useless Sparano becomes if you have to fall back to him. Especially only on a one year deal. Then if you do go back to Tony, you almost have to extend him, but really what does that show everyone?
     
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  39. Uncle Rico

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    Throw in Starks too. We should get a running list of hits vs misses to see what we got.
     
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  40. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    D'oh!!!

    I think my point is being proven overall, even w/ the added misses. Even good GMs don't hit on everything, but if you have more hits than misses, you are doing it right. And he is! He just needs to do it more on offense now!
     

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