July 31, 2008
Dolphins: Thursday's practice report
Ernest Wilford is having trouble, big time trouble, getting open. Either Will Allen is a Pro Bowl cornerback or the Dolphins need to try Derek Hagan as a starter. Something has got to give.
Finding ANOTHER fullback to compete with Boomer Grigsby might be a real good idea because I'm expecting Reagan Mauia to be cut any day now if he doesn't pick it up....If this regime has turned over every rock why hasn't Najeh Davenport been given a tryout?...
Shawn Murphy was granted the opportunity to work with the starters at left guard in place of Justin Smiley and got steam rolled at least three times for a sack. He's clearly not starter material right now. Vonnie Holliday, who has looked very good, barely had to touch him to get by....
Joey Porter is blowing people up. He hits with power, and he's very intimidating on the field. I actually heard him threaten a receiver, warning him he'd f-him-up if he caught the ball. I've concluded Porter should remain on the left side. Charlie Anderson and Quentin Moses can present enough pass rushing threat to concern teams. Porter's ability to stuff the run is critical on the left.
Today's session was highlighted by redzone drills at the end, and the pro-John Beck camp isn't going to like what they hear, so if you are pulling for the BYU product don't read any further, and don't read any other practice reports. Just imagine they had the day off.
For the brave....I will no longer refer to Beck by his name on this blog. I'm a nickname guy, and he's officially graduated to "Checkdown," because that's by far his favorite pass.
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2008/07/dolphins-thursd.html
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PhinsRock, Kanye West, PMZQ and 4 others like this.
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i'm shaking my head at Wilford.
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Wow Wilford whats going on? If anything, that really pushes us to sign Glenn.
Beck, well thats nothing new. Unfortunately, Mr. Checkdown is a very well-suited nickname.
Mr. Porter, THANK GOD YOU HAVE BRIGHTENED MY DAY! I cant wait to see this guy lighting people up and wreaking havoc this year. "Catch that and I'll F u up." hahaha I love it. Step up in some early games Joey and you run this D!Kanye West, TheMageGandalf, Brown42000 and 1 other person like this. -
I appreciate you posting the article. With that said, I wouldn't be so quick to accept his comments as truth.
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najeh davenport is the guy that took a dump in his ex girlffriend's clothes hamper i think
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Omar wasn't criticizing, he was reporting. Unless we have evidence that Omar is lying about Beck, which so far I haven't heard, its Beck's performances and not Omar's reports that we should concern ourselves with.PhinsRock, King Felix, Kanye West and 5 others like this.
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I don't. Case in point the Wilford comment- I don't like to hear that he's struggling, but Will Allen IS a Pro Bowl caliber CB. Kelly would have done well to point that out. As far ar as I can tell the only advantage that Wilford has in that matchup is height. No surprise that Wilford is getting blanketed by him, WA has superior quicks and can run circles around him.
Now if Wilford was struggling against Travis Daniels- uh oh.Last edited: Jul 31, 2008 -
Why would Omar lie about something that is so easily verifiable? Omar's blogs are well known in S. Florida...if he is lying, the Dolphins will move quickly to correct it. And so far, I haven't heard any corrections forthcoming.
The Beck supporters have to come to the (very painful, for some) realization that after one week of camp, he looks like what many have said he is...a QB having trouble making the transition to the pro game.
I don't have a dog in the QB fight, so I'll just sit back and hope the best guy gets the job.texasPHINSfan likes this. -
I never said Kelly lies, nor is Beck the reason why I don't accept his comments as truth. I just think that, in general, his observations are off.alen1 likes this.
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It's not what he reports its the way its reported. Holliday sacks Beck 3 times in a row because of Murphy but it doesn't read that way. The way it reads is that you are lead to believe that John held on to the ball to long (did he??) and got sacked. While the Murphy remarks are in a different place in the article. He doesn't explain the whole play and what he does say is said with his slant. And thats my 2 cents.
P.S. Of course I too want the best guy to win!:up:phinphever, PMZQ, DennyCrane and 5 others like this. -
Omar has been anti-Beck for a long time now. He penciled McCown in as our starter even though our FO made it clear that there would be an open competition. Beck hasn't played great, but Omar is slanted.phinphever, PMZQ, GridIronKing34 and 7 others like this.
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The other side of the coin might say...
Will Allen is doing an exceptional job in coverage.Always tough reading into it if we are not there to watch.gafinfan likes this. -
His article a day or two ago was a little weird- how can you like football and hate QB's? Even if he prefers other facets of the game, the hyperbole was unnecessary. I focus more on what he has to say about the other positions- I'm not sure how right or wrong he is, but he supplies quite a bit of info.
Now that I think about it, I wish that I had not included the Beck part- I'd rather read QB info from a different writer.Last edited: Jul 31, 2008phinphever and like2god like this. -
He doesn't even mention the TD to Ginn. I mean, it's a clear anti-beck slant dude.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/...008/07/31/live_blog_july_31_training_cam.html
Read that for another take.phinphever likes this. -
Sounds like Beck and the OL need to step it up:
"John Beck is the only quarterback to participate before the thunder rolls through, and it isn’t pretty.
I counted eight snaps, and five of them ended in a sack.
Vonnie got three of them, playing on both the right and left side. One time he blew right past Jake Long and Justin Smiley and reached Beck untouched. Another time Vonnie blew past Murphy, and then Vonnie gets a coverage sack when Beck holds on too long."
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Yea I'm not trying to sugarcoat Beck, he isn't doing well. But to go ahead and strip out any of the good bits while leaving in the bad bits, is just not responsible.
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Hagan, Bess, Ginn, Kircus...then Camarillo, then Wilford if I had to rank the receivers based only on the plays they've made in practice...without considering the CB they face or the QB throwing
This was taken off his blog in the comments section(his words)
Is this true?Can someone clarify this for me because I don't see it in that same order.Now Bess had looked great but I've also heard that Ginn is the one who has been pretty non-existent throughout TC. -
Camarillo has made some nice catches according to blogs (not sure how much we believe in that anymore lol). Hagan has been the best out there it seems. I haven't heard much about Kircus and Ginn was praised by Sparano so he can't be doing that bad. I would think it would be in the same order except swap Camarillo and Kircus. Again, I'm basing it off of blogs so I don't know accurate that is.54Fins likes this.
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I would love to see grigsby be the guy. he has the right attitude for a full back. I guarantee he will knock people on there butts!!Last edited: Jul 31, 2008 -
Well, Will Allen IS (or at least SHOULD) be a probowl CB....
That said its not good to hear this, but to be fair Wilford is more of a situational guy, who often wont be matched up on the top CBs. Or if he is, then Ginn needs to exploit whoever is covering him.
I hear good things about Hagan and Bess, and ofc there is Glenn as a rumor as well, so this isnt horribly concerning.
Say what you want about Beck, its not been overly positive so far. Im not saying the other 2 have blown anyone out of the water, which is concerning in general. But really, we need someone to step up come preseason games.
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Maybe he was three sheets to the wind? I remember one time I was so damn drunk I mistaken my sisters room for the bathroom and pissed on a pile of her clothes that were on the floor I must have thought was the toilet, all I remember is her screaming " Ronnie!!! What the hell are you doing?!?!?".
Yeah, she wasn't happy.Phin-o-rama likes this. -
The Porter parts is just great news. The other stuff, well I take it all for what it is. I try to read as many post practice results and interviews to try and get a general conclusion to what may be happening. Unless we are there watching it, we can't really know. However......
In general it seems that neither QB really stands above the other. All three have been mentioned with adjectives like "nice throw to" "threw a pretty good deep ball to" and such. All three have had the adjectives go the other way at times. The conclusion I come up with is...... WE AREN'T THERE YET. The Quincy Carter thing puzzles me also. Just got to wait and see how it pans out on the field. There is concern here atleast.
The WR's have more good reports then bad and seem to be a pleasent surprise. Ginn has been praised by Sparano, Hagin is mention in almost every blog.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/news/2002/10/29/packers_davenport_ap/
BWAHAHAHAHAH
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So Beck is Chad Pennington 2.0?
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And I wasn't done, after I was done pissing on her clothes I again got confused and proceeded to climb in my other sisters bed thinking it was mine - with her in it.
Funny thing is I had to go to work at 7:30am the next day and didn't remember a thing of it when I woke up or got to work, but as the day passed on I keep having flashes of last night and started to wonder what I did, so I called my dad and asked him if I pissed all over Kelly's clothes last night and he starts laughing and says "Oh yeah, and your sisters are mad as hell at you, if I was you I would stay away for a while till they cool down". -
From the sound of it yes.
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Good article. I like the redzone drills breakdown.
Thats gotta mean something to the coaches, when your rookie QB scoring more than once in a drill that neither of the other QBs could score even once combined. Good for Chad! I'm sorry for Beck. If things continue, he could very well be the next QB of the Chicago Bears. I think we could get a third for him, if it came to that. -
Oh yeah this is awesome!
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Reminds me of this scene (watch it at 4:24):*rated R for language*
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Pennington played good up until his shoulder injury, he won games even if all he's got is a noodle arm. Beck is not even in that guy's league. I remember Randy Moss used to always say that Pennington was the best QB he'd ever played with. (Before he went to NE, obviously)...:no:
As for Omar's credibility, the other blogs basically reported the same thing. It's Harvey Fialko-- & Armando that have MAJOR credibility issues IMO. Both of those guys just want attention.:pity: -
But then Omar states that he and Hagan have looked pretty good.
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Compare that breakdown to the PBP's.
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Here is an alternate report on the red zone drill:
Notice Omar didn't even mention the TD pass to Ginn in the redzone drill, and the 3rd comment or so in his own blog has a reader asking Omar when he is going to mention it.
I'm not sugarcoating Beck's performance, it wasn't lights out, but lets get a more accurate source here.phinphever, PMZQ, slickj101 and 1 other person like this. -
All he was doing was giving a "Play by play" report. How can that be off? Did Beck really not throw the INTs ? If not, then Omar is in fact, lying. If Beck did perform as Omar indicated, then I can find no reason to question the observation.
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I think many Beck supporters (and I don't necessarily mean you because I don't if you are in this category) are so sensitive to any criticism of Beck that they take even a play by play report to be Beck Bashing.
Its an interesting phenomenon that Beck has such a loyal following. He has never wowed anyone in a practice, never incredible in a preseason game, certainly never impressed in a regular season game...and yet...to many, he is beyond criticism. "Its only been one week, the Oline sucks, we don't have quality WRs, excuse, after excuse, after excuse."
Never do they acknowledge that John Beck just might be in over his head in the NFL. And really, whats it to them? Would it be a total surprise that a coach who went 1-15 and fielded one of the worst teams in the history of this league might have missed on the QB he drafted? IMO, its not only possible, but probable.texasPHINSfan and funkdat like this.
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