If the guy in question is purposely hiding what he thinks, by pretending to be 100% ok witht he behavior and even participated in it, then that person is the only one responsible and it would be impossible for the players and coaches to know any different.

People are acting like Martin just sat their and sulked and flinched every time someone approached him. He didn't. He pretended everything was alright. He laughed and joked right along with Cogs.

 

How do you know that ? Every article I have read says mostly the opposite , that Martin was aloof and not really part of the crowd .

 

He's one of the *******s who drove this story, I do not respect his opinion nor his pov.

 

Because you trust the articles instead of the players. They all said that martin was different (hence the Big Weirdo moniker) but that by all appearances he enjoyed Incognito's friendship. He joined in on pranks, passed around the VMs to laugh at, always hung out with Cogs in and out of the locker room.

Watch the player interviews again, you'll see guys that are hurt by all this because they were genuinely blindsided.

 

he was part if the pranks (like the one on garner). the dude was in on culture...until one day he suddenly wasnt

 

You mean when they took the job that he was entitled to?

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I honestly think the majority driving this non-sense have either:
1) never had experience in competitive sports coaching or playing in an adult environment
2) never served the military or participated in a fraternity or brotherhood
3) or are simply ingenuous & self-aggrandizing, looking to step up at the expense of others regardless of veracity or consequence

maybe, all of the above? I find it infuriating to hear so many irresponsible, libelous insinuations stated as fact knowing that none of these individuals will ever be held accountable for their words.

*ultimately, the only solution to save the franchise will be to win games.

 

Schlereth's statement is another example of what I've said from he start.

The NFL culture and football itself is whats really on trial here, and where the focus will end up.

 

I think people have a hard time with the concept that no one may be at fault for the "bullying".

- If Cogs acted with no malice in his heart towards Martin then he did nothing wrong.
- If martin truly felt bullied and was too scared to follow protocols then he did nothing wrong.

What we should do is filter both of those things through the CORRECT information we have.

 

To be fair, it's a long way down from their high horse.

 

Guilty as charged but alas nobody has charged Martin as being part of and openly participating in this 'culture'. Yet? Martin to me is a hypocrite if he joined in the very actions his lawyer is speaking out on. Pure joke. Money money money...kerchiiing!

 

Mark brings up some interesting points.

 

Even worse. Players, who had previous locker room problems, criticizing the dolphins. All while sitting high and mighty from there studio chairs! Keyshawn? Cris Carter? Killing the phins about a bad locker room? do they think that there past problems are totally forgotten? Ray Lewis? Is he serious? I , by no means give this team a pass, FAR,FAR from it. but these players throwing BOULDERS from their glass skyscrapers...laughable.

 

Exactly! When Tannehill was asked why it wasnt stopped....he said

"I didn't know there was something to be stopped! I thought they were friends! If we knew something was wrong, yeah we would've corrected it"

I mean what else is there to say?!?! It's a friggin joke. Martin is attached to the hip with this guy, and they are supposed to investigate, step in, ask questions and dig deep into this relationship?! They are not Oprah! They are adults, professionals, with a high stress job to get done. They can't be Martins mind-reading babysitter.

 

Its funny if you watch closely, Cris Carter disses the Dolphins and then right before the break, wipes the leftovers of his pre-show 8 ball off his nostril.

Hypocrisy at its most.

 

So this will be on Oprah next year?
Richie vs Jon.....lol

 

"bullying" in the NFL is a non-issue, totally absurd. what honestly got my goat was the open & ugly accusations of racism.

serious things for serious people:
1) NFL was "officially" unhappy with rape accusations against Roethlisberger.
2) anger issues & violence? what about Aaron Hernandez or Hall of Famer, Ray Lewis?
3) Incognito is no racist & neither is Warren Saap.

want a simple, serious & honest perspective on the game?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doIKJl29BSU

Warren has always been known to turn a phrase or two in his day but has always been a favorite of mine. the guy is simply all about football & winning. would be a wonderful world if everyone were a Zach Thomas or Jason Taylor, but the NFL is composed of a variety of characters that play the game. what would it be without the Warren Saaps & Incognitos that play the game?



how many of us would survive under the microscope?
how easy it is to twist the truth creating a trap for fools...

 

you don't have to continue watching football if it offends your sensibilities or personal morality.

having said that, you don't have the right to disallow other people from enjoying the game or impose your personal standards on others. this is not a jihad or crusade, it is a sport.

every monkey on his limb. I like soccer, boxing, football & ice hockey, but would not impose these sports on anyone. different strokes for different folks.

 

That's not true, at least not the whole truth. There were several reports that Martin participated in the pranks himself. I'm thinking of the standing up from the table prank which was done on everybody including Philbin and by Martin himself.

 

Not following your train of thought in your comments here... That pic was aimed at Jon Martin and simply states that our fates are by and large in our own hands...

 

I still don't believe this a case of bullying. when all is said and done I think this is gonna be a case of JM buckling under the pressure and not performing well. he wqas moved and probably thought of it as a demotion. I think he just needed a break so he left. then Mom and Dad got involved...

 

I totally agree. Compared to nasty bastards like Ben Davidson and Conrad Dobler, Richie is a boy scout.

 

Dude, everyone knows it's in mommy and daddy's hands. :shifty:

 

When I was playing high school football my head coach gave me an autographed picture of Conrad Dobler, with a note to me from him. He did that to light a fire under me, to get me to get a mean streak. I will never forget that picture.

 

I agree wholeheartedly (who's he babe in the photo), Martin was aloof.

Amen.

 

But it doesn't support the lynch mob so it's not a good story line and you can't keep hate and discontent with out it.

 

Schlereth was asked if he saw hazing/bullying/racists remarks of any sorts in the two locker rooms he was in he said no he had not. Yes mark i am sure Rominoski was a model player. He, as alot of retired players who are ripping Miami seem like they dont wanna admit that they themselves experianced it or participated in it and are no delying any involvment in it, because by admitting that this has been the culture for 100 years is admitting the guilt of carrying it forward to the next generation of players.

 

... and then you went out and bit a guy's finger. :shifty:

http://www.esquire.com/features/what-ive-learned/ESQ1100-NOV_WIL

 

I agree but I cant help but to think our problems started ever since we hired Ireland and Sparano and this scandal is destroying the morale of the players and fanbase . this is exactly why I want the entire front office fired. we need to go hire a big time coach pure and simple so we can put this fiasco behine us. the media does have a sense of enjoyment in our demise and that is another reason for us to clean house.

the media s so Patriots oriented it makes me sick .

 

There is obviously a ton of *****assness going on by both Jonathon Martin and others criticizing about Cogs "bullying". If you can't understand that there is a much different culture in football, than not only have you never played football in your life, but competitive sports. You can't compare things that happen on the field or in the locker room as if they were happening in an office. NFL players aren't normal humans, let alone normal athletes, they can not be given the same rulebook as Johnny in 8th grade picking on the fat kid... How in the world do explain to your kids if your'e Jonathon Martin how you had to retire from the league at 24 years old because other players couldn't trust your ******** to tattle if someone picked on the shoes he was wearing that day.