http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...d-victim-of-hazing-aghast-at-martin-reaction/
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Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει
Wow. Hit in the eye with a sock full of coins?
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vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member
And....now Mike Ditka must be as horrible as Jeff Ireland is...right?
Didnt he say he should have "Popped those guys in the mouth?"Mcduffie81, Bpk and sports24/7 like this. -
And Ditka is worse than Jeff Ireland, telling the guy to punch them after he nearly loses an eye. -
But somehow this type of behavior is considered normal in the NFL, and if the guy hadn't been hit in the eye everyone would probably be saying the same thing: "Just toughen up, its the NFL!"
It's like fans still expect these guys to be expendable gladiators instead of paid athletes.Bpk and MikeHoncho like this. -
That's pretty awful
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vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member
Then balance it with this story..
"Even to former Offensive Linemen this makes no sense"
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-1108-20131107,0,6784656.storysports24/7 and Dolfan330 like this. -
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Look...Im not defending bullying of any kind. If Jonathan Martin had told them to stop...and this continued. They deserve all they get. If he went to the coaches and told them....Im being treated like this..."LIKE CAM CLEELAND DID"....and they did nothing they should all go.
What I take issue with is....NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING THAT JONATHAN MARTIN FELT THIS WAY. NOT ONE PERSON.
What is bullying to one person...is not bullying with another. If you listen to the other lineman speak...everyone got part of it. Hell what did Hicks say...
"Did it wear on a quiet player? No one saw him express that. Samuda was another matter. He openly disliked these rituals. So veterans shaved the shape of a ***** in his haircut. Hicks pulled Samuda aside and saying, "Look, it's not about breakfast sandwiches. Every veteran in here could pay for them. We want you to do it. You have to earn your seat in this room. Shut your mouth. Earn your place and your respect."
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Thats gross.
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I think, if anything, we've seen what real bullying in the NFL looks like after this story and the stuff that happened with Martin and Cogs is literally nothing.MikeHoncho likes this. -
Also, Artis Hicks statement shows how ridiculously stupid this "culture" that they're protecting is. So, Samuda has to buy breakfast to earn his seat in the room. Doesn't he do that by being a good football player? How the hell does buying breakfast assist in that matter?
And yes, I understand that this kind of stuff goes on in most locker rooms. That doesn't make it right, and the fact that people who are criticizing the culture have never been a part of it doesn't make the criticism invalid. I've never been part of Islamic culture, but I have no problem saying that it's wrong to deny women an education and make the go outside covered head to toe in a burka.
I just take the old maxim to ehart; if you are doing something that you wouldn't do in public or that you don't want people to know about, odds are you're doing something wrongVegas_Phin and BlameItOnTheHenne like this. -
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And by the way...
Hitting someone in the eye with a sock full of coins...is assault with a deadly weapon in my opinion. Thats not bullying, thats a criminal act, and that dude should have been thrown in jail.LiferYank, Claymore95, sports24/7 and 5 others like this. -
vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member
AGAIN SCHMO....
The over all majority of players in the NFL are fine with this behavior. Its the people OUTSIDE of the locker room that have an issue with it. So now..your going to stand on your righteous bully pulpit ( hee hee..see what I did there)....and equate the locker room behavior in the NFL to how Islamic women are treated. Really?
And yeh..I have a damn good idea that nobody knew, when his own agent, the one person responsible for his financial well being, taking care of his career, OBVIOUSLY DIDNT KNOW. And how do we know he didnt know? He never called Jeff Ireland about this..until AFTER Martin left on the 28th of October. -
B) Agreed, giving a teammate **** is a part of a locker room, actually hitting someone with a sock full of coins is assault to injure or commit serious bodily injury.
To me, say whatever you want, it really does not matter, once you start actually hitting people with objects a bright line has been crossed.
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There have been many times through history that the overwhelming majority of people have been in favor of something that was ultimately proven to be wrong.
The overwhelming majority of players were fine with putting bounties on other players. Yet the league decided that such behavior was wrong and put a stop to the practice.
The NFL is a business. The NFL's only goal is expanding that business to make as much money as possible. And the more money the NFL makes, the more money the players make. This makes the NFL and its players look real bad.
Think about it, at best, even if everyone ultimately agrees that Martin was not really bothered by everything that went on, the Dolphins will still have been revealed to be a team full of vile, disgusting people who put the most vile and most disgusting person on their leadership council. And this is the best case scenario. -
http://www.jenimawter.com/blog/2012/10/22/narcissistic-victim-syndrome/
I apologize, this is my first time posting and I'm not familiar with how to pull quotes. This article (while a bit long, is well worth reading) may or may not have anything to do with what is going on between Martin and Incognito. However, "if it quacks like a duck..." -
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jboogie The sky is NOT falling!
Clearly Ireland was afraid someone would pick up and Martin wold have to line up across from Wake. Lol
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The Dolphins players uniformly defended a man, who they also palced on their leadership council, who's actions are completely anathema to 99% of the population at large. Even plenty of other football players hate him.
So when the players go out there and talk about how he's a great guy, that it's ok for him to use the n-word, etc., it's a bad look. Because if that's who you're going to bat for, then it's a tacit agreement with his behavior. And if you agree with the behavior, then people are going to assume (probably correctly) that you engage in the behavior. -
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This is a business. All this stuff that is coming out is bad for business regardless of whether anybody cared about it before. -
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It's not all that much to ask that professional football players treat their own co-workers with a bare minimum level of respect and not be complete imbeciles or criminals off the field. You can still be a tough SOB on the field. Just be a normal human being off it -
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Suffice it to say, there was a large divide between players and coaches in the bounty situation. The overall shock was that the targeting was being ordered from a defensive coordinator, I believe. If it were only the players behind the scenes ordering and organizing bounties, then that gives you even more of a picture of the nature of that environment.
Bounty gate feels like decades ago.
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