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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by FinNasty, Apr 19, 2012.
hmm, In the trenches at#8
I am not a big fan of Ireland but I will have a lot more respect for him if he actually drafted a player at eight who can come in and play immediately. Instead of over reaching for Tannehill, who may or may not ever be a starter in the NFL. Hopefully Ross won't demand that Ireland select a QB in the first round just to satisfy fans who seem content with drafting a second tier QB just so they can be happy to see the Dolphins use a first round pick on this position.
If Barkley and Jones had not remained in college, Tannehill would be seen as the fifth rated QB in the draft and a second round selection. That is where he should be drafted and taking him at eight in round one is far higher than he should be selected. Hopefully Ireland understands this and he refuses to listen to the demands of the fans to take a QB in the first round.
Of course if Philbin and Sherman are sold on Tannehill and Ireland is convinced by these two men to draft Tannehill. I will certainly accept it because it is their jobs on the line and not mine. Hopefully if they are sold on Tannehill, he becomes the QB they think he can be and not just another first round QB bust.
I disagree, Tannehill would be the 4th rated quarterback and probably still be in play for the 8th pick as there is no way Cleveland would pass on Barkley.
Lol. Yeah and if Marino was younger and coming out now Tanny would the 6th rated QB. And if Peyton was coming out now Tanny would be the 7th rated QB. Hell if the next Unitas came out now instead of the future, Tanny would drop to the 8th rated QB.
And you people want to draft the 8TH QB prospect in this imaginary situation!!!!!!!!!!!
so which of the top 7 is likely to fall? if its richardson what do we do if nobody trades down? lol draft him and move bush to our number 1 wr?
no, you'd have to gage what other teams would take a quarterback in the first round and you'd also have an extra top prospect dropping down a few spots.
There are six top prospects. Adding Barkley would make it seven.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is the TROLL GAZE of the century.
guys his mom isn't a hooker we're good!
*edit - beaten to the punch hahaha.
The point is that in comparison to other prospects within the same time frame, Tannehill isn't all that good of a prospect. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the logic, but that is how it should be viewed. It's not quite as bad logic as some make it seem.
The logic is fine. The application of that logic is more useless than Marc Columbo on an o-line.
I think Ireland mentioned Tannehill's family, not as a reference to Dez Bryant, but to razz Dolphin fans by reminding them of Ted Ginn....or maybe not.
I agree and disagree.
I think it says something that a lot of better prospects are coming out. It pushes him farther down the ladder of NFL QB's. However if you think he is capable of leading a team you take him regardless of how he compares of course.
My point is that Tannehill is nothing but a second round talent and taking him at eight in the first round doesn't make sense to me. You obviously feel differently and while we disagree, I respect your opinion. My opinion is that Tannehill will never be a top tier QB in the NFL and I would rather see the Dolphins draft a player who has a much better chance of coming in and being a long term starter at another position on the team with their first round selection.
I think if the Dolphins draft Tannehill, they will still be looking for their QB of the future when the 2013 draft comes around. Therefore if they are intent on drafting a second tier QB in this draft, they can always draft Weeden, Cousins, or Osweiler in a later round and they will be getting a QB who will end up being as effective in the NFL as Tannehill will be, IMO.
Look the draft is a gamble. Luck could be a bust. He could get injured or fold under the immense pressure of having to be better than Peyton who is in the discussion for GOAT. Not drafting a QB because there may be a better QB coming some other time is silly. If you could guarantee Barkley will have 100% chance to make it and Tanny won't, then he has a point. This isn't like choosing between two different cell phones.
I don't care what your point is.
If you are going to use Barkley as a reason to defend your point of not taking Tanny this year than your means of defending your point is silly.
I agree with this. Besides, who says the Dolphins will be in position to draft Barkley next year? I would love for them to be, but let's say they pull 9 wins out of their ***, that's a lot of draft picks for what would be arguably the #1 overall pick. You have to play the hand your dealt. If you need a QB, and the best one available (on your board) is Tannehill, you take him.
I hate when people talk about "reaching". If your pick is #8, but scouts have said the guy is late first rounder, that doesn't do you much good if you want to draft him. Now, a guy like Patrick Turner? He was a reach, considering no one was touching him before the 4th round, but if you take a guy within the same round he's projected (Tannehill), it's not a reach at all IMO.
You pretty much said what I said in the second half of my post. If you like him, take him regardless of how he compares.
That's not what I was saying.
I'm saying you don't base the draft worthiness of player X, based on player Z who isn't even in the draft.
I agree with that. In my opinion either a guy is a good prospect or he isn't, it doesn't matter if player X is a better one if he is unavailable to you for any reason.
Sure, just sum up what I took 80 posts to say in one sentence......I hate you.
A lot of people know more about QBing than he does. A lot of those people have explained how good Tanny/Weeden are. They've given in depth analysis, stats, numbers, video, etc. But his opinion never changes. Its pointless to try.
No no if Luck and RG3 were not in this draft Tannehill would be the top QB this year.
So for the Dolphins Tannehill is the top QB since the other two will be gone.
Unless he is gone before #8.
Enough of that game good for Ireland sticking to his plan that's why he makes the Big $$$$.
Smoke and mirror stuff...can't really draw any conclusions and in fact, probably a message to confuse other teams as to what we want to do....
Besides, IMVHO, Holmgren won't pass up Tannehill at #4.... He can't be sold on McCoy...
Melvin Ingram or Coples at 8?
I think Coples is the guy he wants. Ingram is too undersized for Ireland.
Well, I disagree with your premise that he's not a good selection because if a couple of other QBs had been in the draft he'd be selected later...that's just normal....I actually only had Barkley ranked ahead of Tanny, not Jones, but the bottom line is guys are selected based on the draft class they are in...If Big Ben, Ryan, Flacco, Luck, RG3 and Barkley were in this draft, Tanny would probably be the 7th best QB and likely drop to the mid to late rounds...doesn't change what he can or can't do...or what he is or is not capable of being...
But I do agree that if Irish selects him, it's with the knowledge from Sherman and their decision would be fine with me. At this point, I'm not worried that Tanny would be a bad selection, just that they might be pressured to take a QB simply because of our need and our owner's mandate for this offseason....I'll be 100% behind them, unless he takes Eddie Moore....hehehe
To build off your premise, and using his logic, Big Ben was a reach at #11 because he was the 3rd best QB behind Eli and Rivers in 2004.
Marino had 5 QBs in front him. He turned out alright.
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If the guy who can not only play right away but be dominant is an offensive lineman, and Irish pulls the ripcord, a lot of us will jump out of the windows of tall buildings.
He's taking DeCastro.
Who knows what Ireland is really thinking. I'll bite my tongue a bit until after the draft. If it's another lineman on either side of the football and Tannehill is on the board, I hope people will realize he's no different than Bill Parcells just less hair, less fupa, and more ginger.
I really don't care what your point is either. Because you seldom have a point to make in the first place. If you want the Dolphins to draft Tannehill and pass on a player who can actually come in and contribute immediately, great. I have stated numerous times on this forum that my objection to Tannehill is that I don't believe he is a legitimate first round selection and that the only reason he is rated as highly as he is, is because of the need for QB's by many of the lower tier teams in the NFL.
The desire to satisfy a fan base by selecting a lower quality QB in the first round should not be a reason to settle for a QB who may or may not end up being a starting caliber NFL QB in the coming years. I have no objection to the Dolphins drafting a QB in this draft. I just don't see that Tannehill is worth a top ten pick when the Dolphins could draft Weeden, Cousins, or Osweiler in the second or third round and I feel all these QB's have as much chance of being a quality starter in the NFL as Tannehill does. If you don't like my opinion, too bad for you.
If Ireland takes one of the top offensive lineman on the board in the first round and passes on Tannehill. I will applaud Ireland for making the right decision.
I never implied that I am some great QB guru or that I know more than anyone else. I just happen to not be that high on Tannehill after watching him play last year. I have admitted that I could be completely wrong in my assessment of him and that I would leave it up to Philbin, Ireland, and Sherman to decide if they want Tannehill or not.
As far as all the in depth analysis, numbers, and videos produced by the , "experts". If you will just take the time to review the comments of these experts over the last decade concerning QB's drafted in the first round, you will quickly realize that these experts were wrong in their assessments of these first round selections just as often as they were correct.
It is not a question of me being right or wrong. It is merely my opinion and just like you, my opinions are sometimes right and they are sometimes wrong. At least I am willing to admit to this. Unlike you, who obviously thinks that you are right, 100% of the time.
I actually said this because its an Ireland pick. 100% safety pick when he can't trade down.
I don't think it'll be DeCastro. He'll be considered but doubt they take him. Same for Tannehill.
If we take DeCastro I'd be fine. Normally I'd be against taking a guard in the first, but he has HOF type potential. A dominating guard can open up a lot of possibilities for an offense. Not that he is my first or even second preferred choice.