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Ireland: Tannehill a “great kid,” but Dolphins won’t be “pressured”

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by FinNasty, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    drafting a guard at 8 is just dumb I don't even want Tannehill and would way rather have a prospect qb for the future then to waste a high draft pick on a guard
     
  2. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    You think Melvin or Coples?
     
  3. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Normally I agree. DeCastro is not a regular guard in any sense though. He's a dominant fixture on your line the next ten years who significantly improves both your running and passing game.
     
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  4. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    Ireland will play it safe.
     
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  5. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    He isn't a risk taker so anyone considered risky will be passed in round 1.
     
  6. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    Also means he wouldn't have drafted Marino as well.
     
  7. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    How would taking anyone but a QB be safe for Ireland?
     
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  8. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Me, too. But you will hear lots of screaming. Guaranteed.
     
  9. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Like Vontae Davis?
     
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  10. Ray Lucas

    Ray Lucas Member

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    We've taken Long and Pouncey high in the 1st round in the last 5 years. Hasn't gotten us anywhere. Don't get me wrong, I love both these players. But Joe Thomas isn't winning games for Cleveland, and now people are saying they need to spend their entire draft on skill guys. OL talent in the 1st round is fine and all, but only if you're a couple of pieces away. Dolphins need in order (my opinion obviously): WR, QB, pass rush, OL, Secendary help. I'll be livid if we pass on Tannehill, Floyd, Ingram, Cox, or Kuechly for someone like Reiff or DeCastro (even though they may be the safe option).
     
  11. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I consider Tannehill at 8 a bigger risk than Davis at 25. I think Ireland will try and trade down. I think he is hoping for Cox to be there to entice Philly into trading up.
     
  12. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    We wouldn't be clamoring to repair the offensive line if we actually got DECENT linemen later in the draft but it seems Ireland can only get the sure thing in the first round. I like Tannehill but not at 8. I could live with the pick if we happen to take him but I think the 3 strongest candidates at 8 are Coples, Ingram, and DeCastro. I would say the reason why we have been mediocre has come from players not panning out. Ireland has gotten some good talent late in the draft and UDFA but seems to miss more than hit in rounds 2-4. Just haven't been great in the draft has nothing to do with taking Long and Pouncey.
     
  13. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Reiff.
     
  14. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Really? With as much as his stock has fallen?!
     
  15. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    I don't think teams that are "one player away" from a championship aren't a OLineman away, they usually grab that skill player/playmaker. Teams that need work usually draft the OLineman because you build from the the line out to set a foundation for the future.
     
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  16. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I don't buy those reports.
     
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  17. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Only way they consider Reiff is if they are concerned with Long. after Kahlil, DeCastro is the best OL prospect. Guard at 8 might be high but he is a stud.
     
  18. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    I think it would be smarter to grab DeCastro over Reiff, I think it would help excel Pouncey's career with a potential elite G along side him.
     
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  19. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Left Side would be SET. I was hoping Miami would go out and get a FA RT.
     
  20. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    I hope your right I just wonder how far we could really trade down if they wanted him I know hes rated high but It seems crazy to me to draft a guard top 8.
     
  21. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    DeCastro will be taken by KC or Cards.
     
  22. Dolphin1184

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  23. Bruzer

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    :deadhorse:

    Way I look at it if Ireland does decide to take him despite risk, says to me Mike and Philbin really think they can mold the kid in time. I'm a big fan of Weeden but age is a downfall just for the fact after time to play pro he has a 5-6 years at best likely. With philbins past with qb's I'm excited to see which qb they find the most faith in.
     
  24. djphinfan

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    There is only one way to reduce the risk of taking a player with limited experience like Tannehill, if your gonna take him that high and take on that risk, then don't put all your eggs in the one basket, draft Russell Wilson in the 4th if available, and quit screwing around with the position.
     
  25. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I'm okay with this. I was thinking if they grab Tannehill grab a project guy later in the draft.
     
  26. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    Very Interesting Video...

    [video]http://www.miamidolphins.com/media/videos/Jeff-Ireland-2012-Pre-Draft-Press-Conference-pt-2/c137f70d-bbcf-4b9c-b30c-4de1409f7288#?id=7c03b0f1-7c23-4eae-94e8-630f63275b31[/video]



    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...s-jeff-ireland-0420-20120419,0,2412738.column

    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...s-work-beyond-round-1-for-miami-dolphins.html
     
  27. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    55 percent is a pretty high number, but I know that he's not the only one who targets it. Ideally, you want all hits but obviously that doesn't happen. Usually the number is somewhere between 40 and 45 percent if I remember correctly.
     
  28. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The bold and underlined sentences in your two posts are Exhibit A in proving your silliness. You claim we'd take a lesser QB just to appease the fanbase, but then turn around and say we may take him because he's rated that highly by our staff. You are contradicting yourself. Then you talk about how you're not a QB guru. I'm sorry, but if you admit you're not a QB guru then why do you vehemently denounce drafting Tanny at 8? How the eff can you be sooooooooooooooooooooooo confident in your uneducated opinion about a QB that you must jump into EVERY thread and write the SAME 3 paragraphs about not taking Tanny?

    I know no more about QBs than any other fan. I don't know **** about their footwork, throwing motion, height to weight ratios, shuttle times, play diagnostics, etc. I am, however, smart enough to know that people who do know all that stuff don't think Tanny is a reach at 8. Like every last one of them. Of course they could be wropng and he could bust, but that isn't what we're talking about, we're talking about "draftable" potential. You are NOT qualified to determine that, especially to the point where you become a broken record, over & over & over saying the exact same thing in every thread.
     
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  29. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure you meant to post a photo of Ireland holding a "no whores" sign. :shifty:
     
  30. GMJohnson

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    Who are these people who "know all this stuff?"

    Were any of them banging the drum for Ryan Mallett in the first round last year?

    I think Ireland has all but admitted he doesn't expect to be taking a QB in the first round this year via his statements and FA signings.

    You don't sign Garrard to challenge Moore for the job if you plan on taking a QB early in the draft, that's silly for a number of reasons.

    Regardless of the varying opinions on Tanneyhill, the consensus is that he WONT be ready to play at a high level for at least a year or two. Only established teams with established QBs and winning programs can afford to spend such a high pick on a developmental player, even if it's a QB. Or as Ireland put it:

    "We need to get some starter types in the draft...We’re trying to find starters and impact players in every draft.” But you also have to have a vision for the player as to whether or not he’s going to play this year or next year or the year after that, but certainly that would be an expectation of a top 10 pick is to have an impact on this year’s team."

    And one of the few things everyone seems to agree on is that Tanneyhill doesn't meet that criteria.

    I want an elite QB just as much as the next guy, but he aint coming. Not this year.

    I don't care who we draft, as long as it's a good player who can come in and contribute. Pass rusher, corner, RECEIVER, linebacker, whatever. But we dont have the luxury or using our best chance to add talent to the roster on a developmental player. Leave that for the Steelers, Giants, Patriots, etc.
     
  31. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I certainly respect your opinion but you can take with a grain of salt anything Ireland or any other GM says this time of year. Gerard was signed for next to nothing, and considering that Tannehill will likely sit at least a year, this makes sense. Signing Tannehill would be all about the future of this organization. What Philbin and Sherman think about Tannehill has everything to do with whether we draft him.
     
  32. GMJohnson

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    I absolutely agree that Ireland's word should be taken with a grain of salt and that our coaches are uniquely positioned to give our GM the 411 on Tanneyhill (and Flynn).

    I just think that he was being overly bland and explaining the obvious rather than trying to provide misinformation. You want your 1st round pick to come in and contribute, especially for a struggling franchise like this one.
     
  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    You are trying to argue with me about something I wasn't saying.

    I didn't say what Ireland will or won't do. Me & JT were arguing about IF Tanny should be drafted at 8, not if he will. He swears Tanny isn't worth a 8pick and is basing it on pretty much nothing. Which is fine with me. It isn't fine however, to go into EVERY thread and make the same 3 paragraph post over and over about why you don't want Tanny when you're opinion is based on nothing.
     
  34. Phinastic

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    Well, it's settled, looks like we're going to end up with someone we probably don't need compared with other positions.
     
  35. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Oh man, this fan base might commit mass suicide if we take an offensive lineman in round 1.

    We need impact players. QB, WR, pass rusher. Any of those 3 would make me happy.
     
  36. Dolphin1184

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    Notice the troll face smile on Cam's face... he would be proud if we draft the good family!
     
  37. emocomputerjock

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    Prepare for a lot of suicides then.
     
  38. Coral Reefer

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    Epic joke of all time if we actually trade up to get Tanny.....

    Geez.... I'll be beside myself.
     

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