Is it a pyramid or is it a mountain/hill?

looks like a dang pyramid to me

"cnc66 wrote:

looks like a dang pyramid to me

That's what I am thinking, I discussed it with my dad and he said the same. I don't understand what the critics are seeing. They are superior in knowledge to me of course but if it looks like a pyramid, I would have to say theres a good chance it is one.

His team, made up mostly of volunteers, found that the 2,120-foot (650-meter) hill has 45-degree slopes pointing toward the cardinal points and a flat top. Under layers of dirt, workers discovered a paved entrance plateau, entrances to tunnels and large stone blocks.

Egyptian geologist Aly Abd Alla Barakat, who arrived in May to check on Osmanagic's claims said the structure is "man made" and worth investigating. "My opinion is that this is a type of pyramid, probably a primitive pyramid," said Barakat, a geologist from the Egyptian Mineral Resource Authority.

However, Harding, who said he visited the site briefly on Thursday and looked at the same stone blocks Barakat said were man made, said on Friday they were a natural formation.

"I've seen the site, in my opinion it is entirely natural," he told reporters in Sarajevo. Harding did not visit other sites in the area which Osmanagic and Barakat say are further evidence of the existence of pyramids in Bosnia, such as a tunnel leading to the top of Visocica or a stone pavement made of geometrically regular shaped pieces.

The Egyptian geologist stated that it was man-made but a British archaeologist stated that it was " a natural strange formation".

The pyramid theory was launched by an amateur researcher last year but it has been disputed by a number of local and international experts, who claim that at no time in Bosnia's history did the region have a civilization able to build monumental structures. They say the hill is simply a strange natural formation.

Is it even possible to have something like this form naturally?

"alen1 wrote:

The Egyptian geologist stated that it was man-made but a British archaeologist stated that it was " a natural strange formation".

Is it even possible to have something like this form naturally?

They could have used an existing feature and excavated a structure. Kind of resembled an Aztec/Inca stepped pyramid to me.. the early Egyptian efforts were step pyramids too.

"cnc66 wrote:

They could have used an existing feature and excavated a structure. Kind of resembled an Aztec/Inca stepped pyramid to me.. the early Egyptian efforts were step pyramids too.

True. Would it still be considered an original man-made pyramid or would it change its outlook because they built up the structure on top of land that was already formed? Also, would it still be considered a pyramid overall ? It seems like this discovery will need some more time to develop new theories and information because it seems to early to conclude anything.

It's alien. :whistling:

"Regan21286 wrote:

It's alien. :whistling:

no, he's alen

"cnc66 wrote:

looks like a dang pyramid to me

Reminds me of something we were told before the ship left for the SCS. Anything you see out there that looks like a straight line is man made. Those sure look like straight lines to me.

Heh, if it was built from the ground up it's a pyramid.

"opfinistic wrote:

Heh, if it was built from the ground up it's a pyramid.

so in your mind, from the ground down won't qualify?

Pyramids are found in many ancient cultures because they are the simplest and most logical way to build a high man made structure.We are talling about people who only had basic natural materials to work with .They did not have the benefit of steel reinforcement so they could not build skyscraper type of structures to achieve heigth

They were usually built to glorify the gods or house the priests or nobility or those of high stature in their respective societies.

The theory was that the higher you built a structure the closer you would be to the gods . Consequently the higher you lived in a structure the more important you would be in that society.

In addition a high structure provides a better defense against enemies.

Having said that I think that this particular pyramid is natural .If there was an advanced culture in that region there would be more pyramids and more evidence of its existence .

Its not unusual to have straight lines and geometric shapes found in nature .

"cnc66 wrote:

no, he's alen

Maybe both? :wink2:

the 'Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun' foundation, whatever that is, said the geologist said that. As far as I can tell, there is no direct quote from any geologist save..

According to one source, on May 8, 2006, members of the Geological team investigating Visočica on behalf of the Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation held a press conference in Tuzla to present the results of their research. The academics, from the Faculty of Mining and Geology[17] at the University of Tuzla[18] and led by Professor Dr. Sejfudin Vrabac,[19] concluded that the hill is a natural geological formation, made of classic sediments of layered composition and varying thickness, and that its shape is a consequence of endodynamical and exodynamical processes in post-Miocene era.

According to Professor Vrabac, who specializes in paleogeology, there are dozens of like morphological formations in the Sarajevo-Zenica mining basin alone. The Geological team report on Visocica, based on the data collected in six drill holes at 3 to 17 metre depths, is supported by the Research and Teaching Council of the Faculty of Mining and Geology, as well as the Association of Geologists of Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramids

There are no absolute dates at all, let alone any that would pin it between 12,000 and 500 BC. If I had to guess, I would say there's a later site on the top and sides. It's not uncommon for big hilltops to see fortifications during time of large-scale warfare, complete with wall, terraces, wells etc.

This guy is tunneling through the stuff, potentially wrecking Bosnian heritage, try desperately to find something that would suggest an Atlantis connection.

If this is 'definitely' a pyramid, then Vermont and New Hampshire were the centers of the universe

"CrunchTime wrote:

Pyramids are found in many ancient cultures because they are the simplest and most logical way to build a high man made structure.We are talling about people who only had basic natural materials to work with .They did not have the benefit of steel reinforcement so they could not build skyscraper type of structures to achieve heigth

They were usually built to glorify the gods or house the priests or nobility or those of high stature in their respective societies.

The theory was that the higher you built a structure the closer you would be to the gods . Consequently the higher you lived in a structure the more important you would be in that society.

In addition a high structure provides a better defense against enemies.

Having said that I think that this particular pyramid is natural .If there was an advanced culture in that region there would be more pyramids and more evidence of its existence .

Its not unusual to have straight lines and geometric shapes found in nature .

I am not a history major or anything, however I do remember from my history class that there are a few advanced cultures that would not have any evidence if it wasn't for the fact that the Egyptians kept really good records.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

I am not a history major or anything, however I do remember from my history class that there are a few advanced cultures that would not have any evidence if it wasn't for the fact that the Egyptians kept really good records.

There is no evidence that the ability to build pyramids was something one culture borrowed from another .

That was Erick Von Daniken theory in his book The Chariots of the Gods.He theorized that the Mayan pyramids were somehow related to the egyptian pyramids and that both cultures were taught how to make pyramids by extraterrestial beings :shifty:.

Pyramids were common to American indians in the mississippi basin,to the Mayans in Central America and the Incas in South America.The pyramids were used for completely different purposes.No relation.

There were pyramids in Mesopotania ,southeast asia again used for different purposes .

The conclusion many experts have made is that if an ancient culture wanted to build a high structure for any reason it would have to be a pyramid .:yes:

"pocoloco wrote:

If this is 'definitely' a pyramid, then Vermont and New Hampshire were the centers of the universe

That was prior to it being uncovered from my understanding.

"pocoloco wrote:

the 'Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun' foundation, whatever that is, said the geologist said that. As far as I can tell, there is no direct quote from any geologist save..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramids

There are no absolute dates at all, let alone any that would pin it between 12,000 and 500 BC. If I had to guess, I would say there's a later site on the top and sides. It's not uncommon for big hilltops to see fortifications during time of large-scale warfare, complete with wall, terraces, wells etc.

This guy is tunneling through the stuff, potentially wrecking Bosnian heritage, try desperately to find something that would suggest an Atlantis connection.

I don't understand, than how did they come up with it being over 12,000 years old?

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/pyramid1.php

"alen1 wrote:

I don't understand, than how did they come up with it being over 12,000 years old?

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/pyramid1.php

No idea, at least according to Wiki he claimed to have been misquoted, actually saying construction began sometime between 12,000 and 500 BC. There's no evidence to support that claim that I've found, so I suppose it is his hunch

The problem I have with the 'excavations' is not that they're done by an amateur. Bosnia, after all, has no formal archaeology office or programs. The issue is that he already has his mind made up, and if he finds some late period artifacts, chances are they'll get swept under the rug. The man, after all, has sunk 20 grand of his own money into this thing.

The very worst archaeology projects are ones where the researchers' minds are already made up. He's decided this is a pyramid, perhaps the oldest in the world, and he's out to prove it by selectively inviting geologists and lifting quotes from them. The man's excavation notes are a nightmare. He's after architecture, not artifacts, meaning that a whole class of data (if it even exists) is getting thrown over his shoulder

This is good for some tourism, but on the whole, really really bad for understanding Bosnian prehistory or history. Epically bad if it is a pyramid

"alen1 wrote:

I don't understand, than how did they come up with it being over 12,000 years old?

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/pyramid1.php

Carbon dating probably from old vegetation or rubble from previous human habitation

"CrunchTime wrote:

Carbon dating probably from old vegetation or rubble from previous human habitation

Ooo, makes sense.

"pocoloco wrote:

No idea, at least according to Wiki he claimed to have been misquoted, actually saying construction began sometime between 12,000 and 500 BC. There's no evidence to support that claim that I've found, so I suppose it is his hunch

The problem I have with the 'excavations' is not that they're done by an amateur. Bosnia, after all, has no formal archaeology office or programs. The issue is that he already has his mind made up, and if he finds some late period artifacts, chances are they'll get swept under the rug. The man, after all, has sunk 20 grand of his own money into this thing.

The very worst archaeology projects are ones where the researchers' minds are already made up. He's decided this is a pyramid, perhaps the oldest in the world, and he's out to prove it by selectively inviting geologists and lifting quotes from them. The man's excavation notes are a nightmare. He's after architecture, not artifacts, meaning that a whole class of data (if it even exists) is getting thrown over his shoulder

This is good for some tourism, but on the whole, really really bad for understanding Bosnian prehistory or history. Epically bad if it is a pyramid

Damn, and I got all happy lol.

if you want to compare this to a bona-fide case of someone finding a gigantic and early pyramid, google El Mirador in lowland Guatemala. It was probably a preClassic Maya 'city' with a pyramid rivaling any of the Old World ones (though pyramids in the Americas came in all shapes and sizes and generally functioned much much differently).

they haven't got anything to carbon date. For those who don't know how it works, you can only carbon date stuff that was once alive, and then only if there is enough carbon (though you don't need much) and if it hasn't been contaminated

an interview with Vesna Peric Zimonjic, appearing in the Belgian newspaper De Morgen, he refused to date the structures:

"We have not yet found organic remains, bones, wood or coal. Such analysis will help us to date the structures."

Nevertheless, on the Bosnian pyramid website, he is quoted as saying:[7]

"The following year, 2007, will be marked by the astonishment of the world public how such colossal monuments could have been made before the end of the last Ice age."

and also

"Regarding the age, there is more and more evidence that the main pyramid complex were built right before the end of the last Ice age, indicating that there was world wide plan for building these monuments."

also from Wiki