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Is it over for Tannehill? Getting close?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Section126, Oct 14, 2014.

Is it over for Tannehill?

  1. Yes, it's over, he is no good.

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    7.2%
  2. It might be over, but give him a few more games.

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  3. Give him the season, then evaluate.

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  4. I will take a slightly above average QB.

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  1. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Answer the poll...discuss.
     
  2. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    Too much potential. His ball placement has been WAY better as of late. Has a problem with maneuvering in the pocket but that seemed better the last 2 weeks with exception of a few plays. May not be elite but you can build around him most certainly and win.
     
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  3. Dolphans Unite!

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    Normally I'd want to give someone like him the rest of the current season, but I suspect Joe Philbin may not be able to afford that luxury.
     
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  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Matt Moore is not any better of a quarterback, might as well go the entire season.
     
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  5. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well it was over for Brady a couple weeks ago so...
     
  6. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    I guess give him the end of the season is the closest to what I'd say, but it's not quite what I want to say. Tannehill gives the team the best chance of winning, flat out. Moore isn't going to swoop in and suddenly become something more than he's ever been. However, I don't think barring a 2013 Nick Foles level turnaround that there's any way the next GM/Coach don't draft/pick up competition, because it's been the same up and down play from Tannehill so far that we've seen his entire pro/amateur time.
     
  7. Canad-phin

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    I understand people are upset at Tannehill but if Finnegan tackles a guy in bounds or Quarless drops this pass and we are talking about Tannehill out doing Rodgers and playing a great second half. Did he make some mistake, totally but he wasn't terrible like many of you are stating. I would also like to see him play a full 60 min game but lets not act like he is the reason we lost this game alone.
     
  8. Stringer Bell

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    I don't think Ryan Tannehill is a good QB.

    That said, Matt Moore isn't really any better. I don't think you should bench Tannehill. However, I do think they need to alter the offense, and run more read-option.

    In regards to what happens with Tannehill - I can't see how they pick up his 5th year option. The Dolphins need to bring in more talent at the position, and let them compete. If Tannehill wins, he wins, but they absolutely need to try to bring in more talent.
     
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  9. Stringer Bell

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    Even if Finnegan made that tackle. I'm not sure how you could say Tannehill out played Rodgers.
     
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  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I could say that in the 2nd half
     
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  11. Stringer Bell

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    In the second half? Sure. Overall? No.
     
  12. heylookatme

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    Overall, he certainly didn't. However, the bar I set for Ryan Tannehill is not Aaron Rodgers. The bar I set for Ryan Tannehill right now -- as for whether or not we should continue on with him -- is Joe Flacco. Setting the bar there says that I need to at least see what happens over the next 11 games to decide whether or not I want to pull the plug.

    Ryan Tannehill is very unlikely to ever be Aaron Rodgers, but I personally believe there is a very good chance he'll be Joe Flacco. He will never, ever be Dan Marino.

    I don't think the coaching staff or Jeff Ireland have done him any favors, and I will leave it at that.
     
  13. Rocky Raccoon

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    No. I still think he's going to get better and better as the season goes on.
     
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  14. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Give him the whole season, got to.....

    I have been his biggest supporter but he is even starting to lose me.....How much is Lazor? Philbin? Him? Who knows...
     
  15. Bpk

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    Would love to see Tannehill with Lazor as Head Coach and OC next season... Isn't that what Sean Payton was doing in New orleans for awhile?
     
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  16. RGF

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    My personal current take on Tannehil is...I HAVE NO IDEA. I cant seem to get a firm grasp on how I feel about him being the answer. My thoughts about him are just as inconsistant as his play this year. At this point let him finish out the year and see what happens but if he takes even the slightest step backwards, time to move on.
     
  17. heylookatme

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    Certainly not Lazor. Lazor is the only reason I have not completely given up on Ryan Tannehill as the quarterback of the Miami Dolphins. Ryan was absolutely not getting adequate QB coaching under the Philbin/Sherman/Taylor triumvirate. From what I gather, Lazor is essentially the acting OC/QB Coach right now, and we are seeing that increased attention to footwork and detail that he was not getting under the unqualified Taylor.

    Of course, Ryan Tannehill is not playing at a satisfactory level overall, and he might never do it for Miami. However, what bothers me about it is that I honestly believe he has the potential to be a very good quarterback and we have handled his development as badly as it can be handled. Year one he didn't have a real QB coach developing him and he had no weapons. Year two he didn't have a real QB coach and he had a truly lamentable offensive line. Year three he finally has a QB coach who seems to understand how to develop the quarterback, but we're still reliant on Brian Hartline and Mike Wallace and a very good (yet gimpy at the moment) H-Back to move our passing game. Where are the red zone weapons? The size mismatches? The physical players who can help their quarterback out by going up for contested footballs? I saw Landry do it last week, but other than him, who?

    It is as if we have set him up to fail. If we move on from Ryan Tannehill, I won't be upset or piss and moan about it, but I do expect him to go on to success elsewhere, while I don't expect anyone else we bring in to play quarterback to enjoy great success so long as we have a bad coaching staff and a poor supporting cast. I could be wrong, and he could just be a perpetually average to above average quarterback, but right now I just don't believe that.
     
  18. CaribPhin

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    It's over, but I'm not interested in watching Matt Moore either.
     
  19. Zach13

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    He had some great throws on Sunday, but he also had a couple of high school throws.
    I'd be drafting a QB somewhere in Round 1-3 starting next year until I found an elite QB
     
  20. brandon27

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    I say he gets the whole season. I sure hope several of those remaining games are without Joe Philbin at the helm. There's something seriously wrong to me if your QB plays terrible first half, and very good in the second half after you get the chance to make adjustments. It's as if he's unprepared, the entire offense seems that way every game almost. Just takes forever to get going. If he can do it in the second half, why not the first when we walk into the game only knowing what we expect to see from the opposing defense. Why does it take us so long to figure it out. It's as if our game plan for the passing game is pure junk until we get a good look at the defense we're facing.

    His ball placement has for the most part been better, once the offense seems to adjust itself, he plays alot better, it just seems he's not prepared properly to start the game. That's not just him though, its like the whole unit. To me thats on coaching. At least that's how I feel. We all know Taylor shouldn't be his QB coach. He's not really qualified for that, we know Philbin isn't a good head coach, so just how properly prepared is our QB each and every week??? That's what's bothering me. Doesn't make sense we can be poor in first half, and good in the second half. Something isn't right.
     
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  21. RoninFin4

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    I'm with Stringer. Right now there are no better options at this point. Maybe Hickey takes a big swing and tries to trade for Matt Barkley (familiarity with the Philly offense), but aside from that, this season should be Ryan Tannehill's for better or worse. I'm not really sold on any of the big name QBs in next year's draft; if pressed I think I'd pick Connor Cook out of the bunc, but I think I'm more apt to try and bring in a veteran QB to compete with Tannehill, like Barkley, Mallett, etc. whether it's via trade or free agency, and take someone in the mid-rounds of the draft like Shane Carden or Rakeem Cato.

    Christian Hackenberg of Penn State, IMO, is going to be the next "Andrew Luck" type QB coming out of college. Problem is, is that right now he's a true sophomore so he's not eligible for the Draft until 2016 if he chooses to leave early.
     
  22. Mcduffie81

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    Brian Hoyer could be available perhaps if we're talking trades and FA (assuming he's worthy).

    Ride Tannehill out and let him grow more in this offense. MORE read option please!
     
  23. jw3102

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    Comparing Tannehill and Brady is laughable. If Brady was the QB of the Dolphins and had this WR's corp, the Dolphins would probably be at least 4-1 right now.

    I have no problem with giving Tannehill the rest of the season to show he isn't the long term solution for the Dolphins at the QB position.

    At least this will serve two purposes.

    Even the most ardent Tannehill supporters will realize after this season that the Dolphins need to look elsewhere for another starting QB.

    Since Philbin is tied together with Tannehill, I suspect he will be shown the door by Ross, as the Dolphins go on yet another search for the next Don Shula and Dan Marino.
     
  24. Serpico Jones

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    Why the hell would you want to see that?
     
  25. vt_dolfan

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    I agree bring in talent and let them compete....but its WAYYYYYY to early to say you cant see how they pick up his 5th year option, when hes on year 3. Hes signed, and hes cheap. If he blows it up next year...then they will. If he sucks..they wont.
     
  26. Serpico Jones

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    He isn't blowing up a god damn thing.
     
  27. vt_dolfan

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    I said give him till the end of the season, but either way, hes not a hamper on their salary cap next season. Its easy to say, we need an upgrade, but....wheres the upgrade? If he had never shown flashes of being a very good QB, then by all means....but he has. His issue is consistency. Everything else hes had issues with, hes improved upon.

    When you have a QB like Ryan Tannehill who has shown flashes of being a top ten QB, its very hard to just move on from him. You pay him what hes worth, and you keep adding QB talent to the roster, and let them compete. Until Ryan gets beat out by someone, then you keep him as your QB.

    The ONLY way I change from this approach, is if for some reason an elite QB becomes available. Lets say Brady parts ways with the Pats, and they decide they want to build around Garapolo....would I do what it takes to get Tom Brady to run this offense we have right now?

    Ryan Tannehill who?
     
  28. vt_dolfan

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    And you know this because your a master talent evaluator? All these experts on who can and who cant do what in the Pros....why arent any of you working in the NFL?
     
  29. Piston Honda

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    Its not a player comparison its a people that love to over react comparison.
     
  30. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's what I'm trying to figure out.
     
  31. vt_dolfan

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    Again....look WHERE?

    Whats out there? Where is this mystical upgrade that we can go out and get?

    Hmm..lets look at the FA Group next season...


    Carson Palmer
    Jake Locker
    Michael Vick
    Christian Ponder
    Mark Sanchez
    Bryan Hoyer
    Ryan Mallet
    Terrel Pryor

    thats all of them.
     
  32. vt_dolfan

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    Please....anyone....upgrade Ryan Tannehill fine. Lets upgrade Ryan Tannehill.

    Show me how your going to upgrade Ryan Tannehill.

    Who are you drafting?

    Which amazing FA QB is out there?

    How many draft picks and which players are you willing to trade to get an upgrade.

    You make it sound so easy....yep..hes done..lets move on.

    But...youve no intelligent way to do this.
     
  33. Piston Honda

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    "1st round QB" will be available ;)
     
  34. adamprez2003

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    He sold me this year that he's our QB going forward. I have no idea what people are complaining about and honestly don't care. Its like battered wife syndrome or something. You go to hi five her and she ducks. Our offensive line needs another stud and we need one more receiver who can get open and we'll have a very dangerous offense
     
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  35. ckparrothead

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    I took the final option. I am that one single vote.

    I'll take a quarterback with Ryan Tannehill's skillset until I find someone better.

    The key is you have to keep looking for someone better. Everyone's afraid of having two high quality quarterbacks on the same roster because they are irrationally fearful of what they view to be an inevitable team-destroying quarterback controversy.

    Well I don't know what you guys saw in 2004 and 2005 when Brees continued to start while Philip Rivers waited in the wings, but I didn't see any team-destroying controversies. I just saw 21 regular season victories, followed by 25 more regular season victories in the two seasons that followed them jettisoning Brees and moving on to Rivers.

    And what happened there is pretty much considered to be the worst case scenario...outside of both QBs ending up terrible. And if the latter is the case you were destined to be terrible anyway.
     
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  36. Rocky Raccoon

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    I'm pleased with the results of this poll. Overwhelming majority think he should be evaluated at the end of the season, as he should be.

    Maybe you guys aren't nearly as dumb as I thought. :shifty:
     
  37. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I have no issues with drafting a QB in the first round. But whos willing to just hand him the starting job?

    Anyone willing to just hand Jameis Winston the starting job?
     
  38. vt_dolfan

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    please for the love of all that is sane and rational....make this required reading.

    This is exactly what you do.



    Thank you.

    Let two good Qbs duke it out.....better player wins
     
  39. MiamiDolphin618

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    Im pretty sure they have to pick up the 5th year option after this year if they are going to do it. Which means barring a ridiculous run the rest of the season its not happening. You don't gamble 15 mil or whatever it is for mediocre QB play.
     
  40. Rocky Raccoon

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    The thought of Jameis Winston being my quarterback makes my blood boil. He's going to be a disaster.
     

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