Is J. Porter still the most overrated player in the NFL?

But allowing it to happen with one coach will effectively help to undermine his replacement. Had we started out 0-5, would Porter be running his mouth right now? Would Porter's actions from last year influence guys like Crowder, Carey, Ronnie, etc this year to turn on Sparano and get in his face? Football players are like little kids, they try to see what they can get away with and once they cross one line in the sand they will look to cross the next one. I'm all for fire and intensity, but not if it means that a player is disrupting the team. Joey hasn't gotten into trouble this year other than his guarantees, but he's a loose cannon and all of the sacks in the world isn't going to change that.

With that said, I support him 100% and hope he continues to pummel the opposition, but if he goes too far I'll be speaking up about it. That's the only reason I posted here, I saw call of "Where are the Joey detractors now?" and I figured now would be as good a time as any to remind people that a large majority of the fanbase was looking to dump Porter after last years miserable season. His play this year has made alot of people forget about that, but that doesn't change who he is and how he acts.

 

I think a large percentage of the group that you mentioned was very misinformed or not as knowledgable on Porter's situation last year as they should of been before calling for his exit. I remember reading a different post every day in the first half of last season that showed the poster didn't know Porter was coming off a knee injury, or even more importantly, playing at a different position. It's not like some of our fanbase ever jumps to brash conclusions either. (sarcasm, obviously)


As far as Cameron, I wouldn't doubt for a second that Porter harbored a ton of resentment for being played out of position and suffering for it. I really don't think that when Cam and Randy approached Porter to come to Miami that they told him he wouldn't be playing LB. Just speculation on my part, but I wouldn't be suprised if that was one of many issues between the two that were never made public.

I really don't think it's fair to assume that Porter would be barking at Sparano if we were 0-8 either. Completely different coach, situation, philosophies, etc. It's not like he ever had issues with another coach besides Cameron, so there's no real pattern to suggest that.

I'm not saying he was right or wrong for disrespecting Cameron, but either way I don't see him ever having those issues with Sparano. Sparano is a leader. Cam was a good OC who didn't have the knowledge, skills, or mentality for a HC job.

 

A lot of those people chose to ignore statements from people such as me, that a knee injury and misuse may have been the cause of his "poor play" refusing also the fact that he played well down the stretch.

As for Joey this year and 0-5 and if he would mouth off again. I'm pretty sure Sparano and Parcells are tougher guys, and have a backbone. Unlike that of Cam. When your coach doesn't do what a coach should do (moderate a fight perhaps? Get off his seat at least?) does he continue to be your coach? Also remember, we started 0-2 and looked HORRID against Arizona

EDIT: My spelling sucks at work lol

 

Sounds familiar lol

 

Joey Porter over rated hahahahaha

 

Exactly, he really came on strong late last year, sometimes you just have to let the guy get out on the field and play.

Granted...10.5 sacks in 7 games with pretty much no one else putting much pressure on the Qb is beyond anyone's vision for the season.

BTW, OT, but who is #2 on the team in sacks now?

 

Roth and Langford with 2 each.

 

I was cautioning the same thing, while I was excited to see what Porter and JT could do together, I knew that it meant one of them was going to be out of position. Logic said that it was Porter, no way they were going to move JT around.

My concern when we were talking about him joining the Phins was that he was a yapper and nothing can get on my nerves more than a yapper. I don't necessarily know that Porter is overrated, I guess my point was that it doesn't matter how good a player he is, he still has that fatal flaw in my mind and he has the ability to be disruptive. Again, that's why I wanted no part of Moss, Johnson or Owens.

Well you understood the point I was making.

Pfft...blame it on being at work.

 

damn.

it goes from about half a million to 2. hopefully that changes against denver

 

We don't know what went down JP, JT and ZT they could of all went and said something to Cam.

I do have a lil one, and you can see how cute she is at my myspace link > MySpace.com - Time and Space - 33 - Male - San Diego, California - www.myspace.com/timeandspace74

I think school and work are very different.I'd never tell a teacher off but work to me is a more level playing field.

Do you have a link or something that says JP didn't know the playbook, this is the 1st i've ever heard of that.

I remember the 1st few games or so last year they were keeping CC in on field and not JP..............when they could of had JP and CC on the field at the same time with JP as a DE in the dime.

Their is No playbook needed to tell JP to go get the QB on 3rd down.None at all, that was on Cam!!!

What you said about...............Zach was a true leader on the field with his play but that's it.I think with us having a young team a vocal leader is very much needed,and i don't see how thinking you can win a game is trash talk...........

As far as CP ...just about ever player has physical limitations,but i do agree that if he had a gun TG would have a few 60 yard TD, but with every player you take the good with the bad.Heck their were 3 plays last week CP could of hit TG very easy for 60, 70 yard TD's but he knows he can't make them plays.

Not everyone here shared the view of CP.I thought he was a top 16 QB before we got him , and still think that, But he is having a very good year here

TO ,CJ, and RM have all been cancers too their teams at some point..........................JP never has.Is JP a punk? Sure, but he's not a cancer to his team like the other players you named.

I 'll take a punk like JP that go's all out for his team on sundays 24/7 and plays his heart out sundays all day.Over a prima dona celebrations in the mirror just like you were talking about.

P.S. For real my lil one is super cute!!!!

 

since i am a new poster here i offically want everyone to know my pet name for porter is squeaky and you will not hear me refer to him by any other name

 

Here is the first one I found. There were others...

Harvey "Peckerhead" Fialkov:

Q&A with Dolphins writer Harvey Fialkov -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Bad information flows free out of all three newspapers in South Florida from reporters that do not know this game. Harvey could not tell you what Porter was being asked to do because Harvey does not know football. All that you receive is "Porter does not know the playbook." He said nothing of the fact that Porter doesn't know the technique utilized by the Strongside Linebacker in a 43 defense. Why? Because Harvey doesn't know the difference between a weakside linebacker, a middle linebacker, or a strongside linebacker in a 43 defense. Harvey could not tell you that to compare the performance of Joey to another Dolphin player you would have to track back to the performance of Donnie Spragan. Why? He didn't know.

Now Harvey (one year after beginning to report on football) is asked to report on a 34 defense. He did not know the defense from his first year of reporting. What makes anyone think he knows anything about the second defense. I'm throwing Harvey under the bus at the moment but my disgust is not totally with Harvey. I spent the better part of last year telling people (in posts) that they were receiving ill-informed articles from sports writers in South Florida. Virtually none would listen. What you receive out of South Florida in the form of columns and blogs is nothing more than soap opera. The more compelling the story, the more clicks it receives. Nothing football is ever diagrammed. How the heck can you report on something that you can't explain?

 

Cute little lady you got there

It was talked about several times last year, I'm sure if you do a search of this site or the other you can find it. If I remember correctly, it started after an interview/presser with Capers.

No doubt that Joey was misused, but I don't know if Cam was the one to blame, there was talk that Capers had control of pretty much everything on defense. That was another concern that alot of people had, why didn't Cam have total control? It was easily answered with "he's a rookie HC, it's better to spread the responsibility around and Capers is more than capable".

See, I'm a firm believer that intensity doesn't come from words, that it comes from the player themselves. If a player needs to be motivated by trash talk or constant yapping, then he really isn't the determined and fiery player that you would want on your team. Being a leader comes with responsibility, part of that responsibility is accepting your role in a loss (or poor season), something that Porter was blaming Cam for. It's the same reason I was fed up with JT at the end, there he was throwing his hands up in the air on the sidelines and disrespecting the coach, that isn't what a leader does, a leader takes the team under his wing and leads the way. Can a leader be vocal? Sure, but a leader does it responsibly. Yapping to the crowd in Pittsburgh, making guarantees and calling opposing players "******s" isn't being a leader, it's being a thug/punk.

Just let me reiterate, I'm very happy with the way Pennington has played so far, but there will always be that criticism when it comes to our deep game.

Criticism of Ginn is short sighted, when people were calling him a bust or questioning his role with the team, they always forgot that he had a weak armed Trent Green, an innaccurate Cleo Lemon, a shell shocked John Beck and another weak armed Chad Pennington. Ginn really hasn't had a QB to take advantage and utilize that speed, until then I don't think we'll really see the real Ted Ginn step up. And by the time Penny is gone, will Ginn still be around? That's my fear, that we'll lose talent because they aren't being utilized.

Well again I'll point to the fines, the over the top trash talking and the off the field distraction like the fight in the casino, his dogs killing a miniature horse, Porter being shot in the ***, etc. Drama seems to follow Porter around, me thinks it has more to do with the person than a dark cloud hanging over his head.

Must have gotten her good looks from her mother.

 

Great points, i would like to add something, I have been watching and listening to Joey all season {his pressers every day} and i have seen a more reserved human being, more humble in a lot of ways, i think he knows what your talking about, i think hes starting to get it. I did not like what he said about cassell not being brady and all that, but i have noticed some humility.

 

I hope so, but I'm going to wait until I see it for myself.

 

I always loved that smiley

 

wow Thats crazy, thanks for the link