Saw this article on TheScore and made me think... Do I overvalue Juice? I've always thought not resigning him would be crazy, but the article has some points...
https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1332985-is-jarvis-landry-in-the-dolphins-long-term-plans
Would explain why we haven't heard much about him getting a new contract, but I still say pay the man! We've got to bring him back.
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I'd like to see him brought back. No doubt. Partly because I like what he brings, and because I feel like if he goes, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with the pats torching us for years like Welker did.
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Landry will be back if he wants to be back. If he thinks that he can break the bank and that another team will pay him as if he's Julio Jones or AJ Green, instead of similar players Doug Baldwin or Keenan Allen, then he'll be gone. The situation couldn't be laid out more clearly as to what should happen with his contract extension. He should earn about 11.5 million a season, which is a huge amount of money, but not 15+ like he seems to be shooting for.
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In my opinion Miami is waiting and seeing because they want an exponential year out of him (basically for free). It's a little selfish, because he will be more expensive next year. I think Miami is "done taking are of its own" for this year. I think Miami wants production now for cheap and then reset next year. We can franchise him if needed\
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We've also got some young players we need to evaluate. If Ford or Morgan develop into that slot role, then it becomes even murkier for Jarvis. For 12M a year, we could dip into FA and get two outstanding starting interior OL that would help the running game, thus making all of our WRs more productive. I love love love Jarvis...I am huge LSU fan and he was probably my favorite player along with Honey Badger--but I don't know if it makes financial sense. After this season, we'll see.
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So just to be clear, the Dolphins aren't "not signing him" to save money this year, Landry's money for this year is locked, he can't receive any extra bonuses of any kind, so Miami not signing him is a "down the road" design. -
For example, Derek Carr was drafted in the same round as Landry in 2014, Carr at pick #36 and Jarvis at #63. Carr just signed a new contract that both replaced the final year of his rookie deal with a new number and gave him a big signing bonus. His original cap number would have been 1.7m this season, and now its 15.7m.
So, a new deal for Landry could give him a much bigger contract in 2017. Not guaranteed that it would, but he would certainly get any signing bonus money right away. If we were to use the Doug Baldwin contract as a reference, Baldwin got a bump up to 6m in base salary in the first year of the new deal that took effect in 2016, and 24m in total bonus (some of which he gets right away, but the cap charge is spread over five years).
So, just to clear things up, yes, Landry is allowed by the league to sign a new deal with the Dolphins at any point. The ball is in his court. My guess is that Landry could see more guaranteed money than Baldwin or Keenan Allen did, but his total dollar figure should ionly get a smaller bump due to cap increases.eltos_lightfoot likes this. -
Let's not forget that if Landry really does think he should be paid like a top 5 receiver and the team doesn't, then the sides may be too far apart to get it done. Is that the team's fault or the player's? What if he honestly does think he is top 5 and should be paid like it?
What I am trying to make explicit is people on these boards are constantly saying that he should be happy at about Baldwin's level. What if Landry honestly and fervently doesn't agree? What if he thinks he is on Antonio Brown's level? -
Per the CBA, drafted rookie contracts are all 4 years and the cap hit yearly increase cannot exceed 25% of the initial years hit for any subsequent year.
However, if you have 3 years accrued and are over 25 the rookie cap no longer applies, it's so the uncommon old guy rookies like Carr can get paid before their career is over, lol. -
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If he weren't such an emotional leader on this team I would say Nope, he's not in their long term future.
If Drew Morgan looks good and progresses through the year, maybe they look at him as a guy who can be a strong slot guy with some return skills, quick feet, sure hands, physical, and slower top speed... at far less cost than Jarvis.
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btw, if Tannehill becomes more of a LEADER with his presence, emotion, vocal leadership, some intensity... then that can help let go of Jarvis. Seriously.
Offensive players look at Jarvis as their emotional leader. That has to be taken up a bit and shared by someone else this year if you are considering letting Jarvis leave.eltos_lightfoot, jdang307 and Finster like this. -
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However, there are limits to everything, and there is just nothing Landry can do to make himself worth being paid as much as the guys at the top of the list.Bpk likes this. -
I would like to hope that Jarvis Landry stays. He's been a very solid WR.
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When Landry has 6 or less receptions in a game
the Dolphins are 8-1
When Landry is targeted 10 or more times in a game
the Dolphins are 1-5 with the only win against the Browns
The rest of the season Landry averaged
6 targets per game and the Dolphins were 9-1
The team as a whole seems to do better the less
Landry is utilized...maybe our team is better spreading
the pigskin around to other weapons.
I think this is what Gase wants to achieve not sure how
it will work out for Landry with the possibility of fewer touches.
Not sure how the numbers stack up in previous seasons
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If he has another great year, I think a contract in the $10-11 million per year range is worth it to keep him. Worst case scenario, you trade him to the Giants for a second rounder in 2018 in a "tag and trade" situation.
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The larger point is correct though. If he won't sign a reasonable deal, you tag him, and see if anyone is interested in trading for him. -
Seriously.
Jarvis leading could really open it up for Tannehill to become the emotional leader.jdang307 likes this. -
I think they are waiting to see what DeVante Parker brings this year. If he breaks out I could see them moving on from Landry to save $$$. They have Parker locked up through 2019 if they want. So by the time they'd have to pay Parker if he broke out they could move on from Stills contract also or extend Stills.
I think they don't want to have too many cap $$'s wrapped up in the WR's.
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It's not a good path to do business with this player, the face of your franchise, all I'm saying, jmo..
Obviously I don't know the inner details, if the guy is being a jackass and not taking into account some flexibility when it comes to the contract so the team has some room to operate then I get it,I think every player who truly wants to win must think about the cap perspective relative to the overall team..I just don't think Landry is the type of guy to hold a team hostage or not take into account what I'm saying.
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When our offense is balanced running versus passes, we win more times than not. Don't have the time to actually look up the exact figures but I've made this argument before...when all we do is pass, pass, pass, we lose most of those games -
No, the success of our passing game depends on Jay Ajayi. -
Imo, his fire isn't worth all the extra dollars, production, as in TD's has to be there for 12 mil, just imo anyway. -
I think that, as last year progressed, Stills and RT had developed a really good feel for one another in the overall passing game. It wasn't just the deep balls. They were seeing the same things in the defense, and were able to coordinate to make plays happen in the intermedite game as well, and that's huge. To me, there's a lot of potential there to be tapped.
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