Is Ryan Tannehill Going to Become a Franchise QB?

We aren't playing my game, we're playing yours. You are the one setting the rules. I've asked plenty of questions you refuse to give a specific answer to.

If you can't show me there's no subjectivity in a WPA for a select play, and a QB's WPA is derived from his total WPAs from the game, then how can you tell me its objective? And how does wanting to know the answer to that question constitute me playing a game and you doing back flips to not answer it mean you aren't playing a game?

 

Wow..skewered...

Shou is a bit right though, THill's season looked very much like a Chad Henne season from 09-10 10-11

However, here is where the art more than science comes into play, Tannehill showed more than Henne.

The trick is whether he can then raise his consistency, and stats wise there is no metric that can predict that happening one way or another as a look back at history purely through stats will show success and failure without the context of things such as scheduling, talent, injuries etc.

 

Thought so.

 

Where did i declare a winner? Please link to it.

This isn't about winning. I have over a number of threads now endeavored to understand your infatuation with the WPA stat. At every turn you've been unwilling to explain the objectivity of it.

Maybe the problem is that you think that's a pissing contest instead of what it is.

 

Exactly, and this is where "art" meets science what happened imo, is they relied so heavily on the WC to score Td's that Henne never developed as a Qb who threw the ball into the EZ for Td's when the league figured out the WC he was basically a rookie again.

The art portion also came into play b/c Henne was singularly poor at throwing the fade route, his arm talent was lacking.

He has a huge arm but no touch so to speak.

This is one of the things I did not like about how they developed THill this yr, inside the RZ your Qb MUST show he can throw the ball, into the EZ, in tight windows, and produce Td's. Instead we mostly ran the ball and play actioned to Fasano down there.

Moving forward..that ain't gonna work.

 

Right. Deflect.

 

Trial?

Look, if you can't handle questions or criticisms, then maybe you shouldn't be making threads. Or is your intention not to have discussion?

Either way, its irrelevant i guess.

 

Eh, depends, if your Qb is good they can make the Te better.

Another unsaid this year is the guys we'd hoped would develop, especially DTrain and Clay, really didn't and ended the season on IR, that is as important to THill's development as his individual play.

 

Thanks. Sorry about the hair thing. It's a free account and 1 guy gets hair and the other gets sunglasses and a tie.

Truth be told, we don't know enough about Tannehill to make a call either way. But I like him too. I was just in the middle of a rainy day with nothing else to do.

 

That was funny bro, you could do a lot of comedy with that program and the characters around here..

 

The best.

I hope you do a different poster each week. To get us through the offseason.

Let me know if you ever want a co writer. Lol.

Btw, you got Shou down pat with the Chester-the-molester uncle outfit.

I doubt Shou has ever said "My pleasure" to anyone unless it was sarcastic though! Lol. Kidding Shou! Talking with you is my pleasure!

 

So all guests will be balding? Lol.

May I suggest you interview:
GMJohnson
FinasciousD
the23rd
DJ
unluckyluciano
samphin
padre
Perfectville
Average noob (less than 10 posts)
section
KB21
Boik
StingerBell

That'd be a lineup any talk show would envy.

Is there a Female character?

 

Fin... have you ever dealt with in depth statistics, such as the Leading Economic Indicators, for example. There is so much data and the math in the statistics is so complex that it does take several full courses at the undergrad/grad level to fully understand how they are developed. The only way to explain it on a board such as this is to refer you to the person who has pulled this together, and the background data from which it has been pulled - the data for which alone would probably fill a large number of large files on a substantial hard drive. My experience with dealing with statistics was in the old days (when the fanciest technology was a basic arithmetical function calculator connected to the wall!) and that was hard enough to explain. Seeking proof on this type of board for the reliability of the data and the functions is well nigh akin to asking for a full readout of the new health care law to be posted. Shou was very right in telling you that the only way that you can have that is to contact Burke. Or, you might Google WPA football Statistics and get some broad brush information about the form, and then check out the several dozen links to the data/subject matter/formulation which I saw on the home page. It just cannot be put into this format without the board system crying "Ouch!"

AND!
There is always the Twainian reminder: There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
You have to do the research to trust the statistics, and in these days, that means that you have to trust the person to whom you are referring for the research to verify the statistics. Unless you have a spare several years you can spend doing it yourself.

 

There is absolutely no ambiguity there. If a pass is dropped, the WPA is attributed to anyone directly involved (QB and WR).

 

"If you have one foot in a bucket of ice and one foot in a bucket of boiling water, and you’re a normal person, you say “Ouch! Help!” but if you’re a statistician, you say, “On average, I’m comfortable.”

 

Fair enough and thank you!

My point all along is that it is impossible to have an objective and comprehensive stat in football. Attempts are objective but are not comprehensive. QB rating is comprehensive but it is not objective. What I'm seeing is a lot of objective stats leading to a comprehensive conclusion and/or a lot of comprehensive stats claimed to be objective.

No one has said Tannehill was perfect this year. No one. Everyone knows he could have played better. The difference is, we are saying that if he played exactly like he did and the talent around them had been as dynamic as say Luck's, his numbers could be significantly better. Shou disagrees with that. In his attempt to prove that false, he's either used subjective stats or non comprehensive stats.

Which is fine, but this is a forum. If he can't handle being questioned or disagreed with, then he probably shouldn't post.

 

Why should the QB be penalized for a WR mistake?

 

He shouldn't. That doesnt matter in this context though. WPA is being used to predict career passer rating, which its been proven do do better than rookie passer rating.

 

How can it not matter?

If QB X's rookie year he's throwing to 3 Leegedu Nannees, his WPA won't be very good and it won't accurately predict anything.

 

The correlation is the correlation. If your point is that the correlation is only 0.75, not 1.00, then by all means feel free to make the point. As it stands, you are just asking questions that are spelled out in the OP, and are doing nothing to further this discussion.

 

Sigh.

Look, I'm trying to understand this. I'm told there's no subjectivity yet there obviously is.

 

What exactly is subjective? The fact that the WPA is assigned to everyone directly involved does not make the statistic subjective.

 

Ok, now that actually makes sense to me.

However, how does that give us a better prediction on the QB? I mean I just don't see how any stat that penalizes one person for another person's mistake is meaningful.

 

The correlation between rookie WPA and career passer rtg. is 0.75.

The correlation between rookie passer rtg. and career passer rtg. is 0.58.

Therefore, rookie WPA is a better predictor of career passer rating than rookie passer rating.

Just because WPA is not a perfect individual stat does not nullify its predictive value.

 

Thanks.

That is a good list. I better get to work.

There are dozens of sets, characters and voices (with accents) within about 20 different themes. You can even change camera angles, facial expressions and character movements. I used the automatic settings for this one. I was having a hard enough time trying to spell the word phonetically. Shoot, Garrard and Davone took me almost an hour to figure out.

 

LMFAO at the GMJohnson part.

 

This needs to happen..keep BK around during the offseason..unless he runs out of material?

 

With you and FinD going back and forth, I feel like Ben affleck in good will hunting.

 

If you want to use my likeness in a video, you're going to have to talk to the site's admins. They are very protective over the Stringer Bell brand, and won't allow anyone to exploit it unless the site is compensated.

 

No it isnt subjective but is not a clear indicator of future results. Thats the subective part. The stats just tell you based on the variables what the result is,, but itfore cant determine what the future variables willbe. Therefore it cant. Accurately predict the future because the variables are just that - variable.