Is There Anything Matt Moore Can Do to Change Your Draft Plans?

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  1. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Andy Dalton has looked pretty good for a rookie starter, that's about it. I don't think your anecdote is saying a lot, either, without putting it into a greater context.

    But you don't have multiple talented quarterbacks. Matt Moore will walk that off-season in free agency, and you'll have a rookie quarterback you spent a high pick on that you have seen very little of and whom statistically is likely to fail.
     
  2. padre31

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    Same argument applies to a draft Qb, there is no way to avoid the risk of starting an unknown Qb.

    DT, I really do believe that a huge reason for our 5-9 record, with 4 losses by a combined 10 pts, is a lack of explosive playmakers on offense, guys who can score from anywhere on the field, we simply do not have any on the WR corps and it kills us.

    This is one of the reasons why I like MMoore, he is doing as well as any Qb could do with this offense, and doing so behind an Oline that will surrender a franchise record number of sacks this yr, even more sacks then during the expansion era.
     
  3. ATLFINFAN

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    If you have 2 great pass rushers and you are in position to draft the NEXT great pass rusher who plays the run just a little bit better, you draft him. If you have 2 great corner backs and you are lucky enough to be in a position to draft the stud CB in the draft, you take him. If it were up to me and we had a shot at another great LT, I would draft him also. Same as QB. You ALWAYS better ANY position on your team when you have the chance to in the draft, ESPECIALLY QB.
     
  4. Disgustipate

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    No, we're not. But our coach or GM or whomever has to be.

    If your GM isn't a good enough judge of talent at quarterback to be reasonably sure, then drafting a quarterback to cover our bases isn't really likely to be much of a safety valve. Statistically we will probably fail in that case anyway.

    The best possible outcome is figuring out what you need to do and pursuing it. Either decide Moore is your guy and spend a top 10 pick on another player, or trade Moore for whatever you can get this off-season and go with a rookie. In between is too inefficient and not all that safe.
     
  5. finfansince72

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    There's always incentive, but pressure is what makes or breaks championship teams we couldn't win with the pressure of contention that's why Tony is gone and the owner will I'm sure insist on a big splash in the draft. Moore doesn't deserve to be annoited the franchise Qb who we build a team around. With a Qb class that looks deep we'd be the laughingstock of the league if we passed on Qb talent to build around Matt moore.
     
  6. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    Well, I look at where Fitz was last year - Bills fans were loving him (more than we love Moore now), and he started out hot this year before fizzling (partly due to injuries). He looked awful Sunday, and they're locked to him now w/ a big contract. Obviously, if we go with Moore, we're not locked by a big contract, so it's not the same thing. I think if the Bills had a do-over, they could easily stick w/ Fitz as the starter this year, but with a rookie like Dalton, or Ponder waiting in the wings. Just saying, food for thought there for our decision next year.

    And if we do start Moore while - say - Landry Jones sits, and Moore goes off, is a top-10 QB and we're playoff bound, I'm not saying let him go, I would definitely sign him at THAT point. Then, you wait another year and trade Jones. At that point, we'd all feel better and more sure bout Moore than we do right now.

    I'll give Moore this much - I've watched the game about three times (since seeing it in person Sunday), and the man pushes the ball down the darn field! He takes chances trying for the big play, and we get some because of it. You're right, with an explosive #2 WR (or, heck, our #1 deciding to catch the touchdowns he's thrown on more than a 33% basis), this chance taking may pay off even more. Not to mention if he had more time to take those chances, which he almost certainly will next year (one would think, anyways).

    Moore has a definite ceiling, but it MAY be high enough for us to at least compete for the playoffs next year, and even more if the defense takes another step towards becoming elite, not just very good most of the time, like this year. But he's not Tom Brady, Drew Brees or Rodgers, and nobody is making that case. My point is, in regards to our #1 pick next year, I'd still shoot high for a truly elite QB, that's all. No knock on Moore, I'm becoming a fan. We just can't be sure by this coming April that Moore is worth investing in for the future (and, thus, passing up a QB for another position in round 1).
     
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  7. maynard

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    .....or is there anything Matt Barkley can do to change your draft plans......
     
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  8. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    Well played.
     
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  10. Desides

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    So did Derek Anderson about four years ago. And then he was made the full-time starter.

    Insert raspberry sound here.
     
  11. schmolioot

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    But don't you know you can't compare players Des.

    Get with the program
     
  12. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    Oh, I hear ya, just pointing out Moore's good points so far. Not my first option, by any means, just saying we could probably do worse to start the season next year. At this point, we may have no other real choice!
     
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  15. Ronnie Bass

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    As much as I would love to see Moore succeed there is that small part of me that reminds this happens alot, where a journeyman QB gets a starting position based on them having success in a portion of one season. A better example than Anderson would be Fitzpatrick, the Bills might have made a costly mistake making the same error I fear we are setting ourselves up for.
     
  16. padre31

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    Thing is RB, Fitzy's book is not closed, that is a mediocre Bills team with a bad D, why is it a priori that thusly Moore will do the same?
     
  17. Disgustipate

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    Fitzpatrick didn't suddenly have the bottom fall out on him. He's playing pretty much exactly like he did in 2010. He was streaky then, too. Moore has been more consistent.

    Not a lot of people thought Tom Brady, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers were going to be what they turned out to be, either.
     
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  18. Ronnie Bass

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    Even Fitzpatrick aside it's still a concern, maybe Moore defies the odds and proves he is legit it still is a big gamble counting on him being the one. And I would love to see him succeed, I do like his game alot.
     
  19. schmolioot

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    I never said that.

    What I said was, based on other guys like Anderson/fitz, etc., flaming out after strong starts, it would be foolish to sign Moore long term and eschew the drafting of a highly rated QB.
     
  20. cdz12250

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    I hope to Buddha we beat the Patriots and Jets for no other reason than Moore getting respect.
     
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  21. MrClean

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    What am I suggesting we do? Draft a QB in the 1st if one worthy of the draft slot is on the board. Don't reach for one just to say you addressed the position.
    Anderson was in his contract year, so they franchised him to keep him. We got Moore under contract for next year already. If he continues through 2012 looking good, then we can address how to keep him at that time.
     
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  22. MrClean

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    Derek Anderson is left handed? Since when?
     
  23. MrClean

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    Especially when their situations are different. Their DNA is different.

    Saying since Anderson flopped, Moore probably will too, is as ridiculous as saying since another late blooming QB was successful, Moore will be too.
     
  24. MrClean

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    Look at the Bills receiver corps. They're probably as bad as any in the league. If Moore were on the Bills he wouldn't be doing any better throwing to that collection of stiffs than Fitzpatrick is.
     

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