When you start the rebuilding project from being the worst team in the league, it becomes imperative that you hit on all of your first round picks..I think its a safe bet that all four players are not going anywhere, and when this young core takes the field, at all four important positions, you have Prototype size, toughness, good character, and hi upside, because all four picks have that first round talent.
I believe that from where we came from, you MUST judge the totality of the four relative to what happened Prior to their arrival..Show me another impressive 4 year stretch like the one is happening here ?
Besides Mark Ingram, there was not another skill position player worth picking at 15, and interior oline was a desperate need, and, he was the best player for our need there..Some will say that it should not be that way after 3 years, the oline should of already been built, however, when you start as the worst, the 4th year is the year to judge, not the 3rd. bottom line, thats just not fair,There was just too much work to do to the whole team to think that all weaknesses should of been fixed by year 4.
As far as the QB, Coach and Irish did not feel that Mallett was worth the 15th slot, nor did the rest of the NFL front offices, and nor did the few of us on this board..The 2nd round is a new round where we might be able to move and select him, CKap or Dalton, all 3 players now have value in this round, I have believed that the player that has the most upside is Kaepernick, I feel his overall skillset is what were looking for and I hope we can land him, but I won't be upset with any of the three..If we choose not to go there, than I think we should just sit tight, and pick up the best skill position player available, in the third round, Tight end, Running back, receiver, whoever the best is at those positions, draft his ***..
My optimism is that we have a defense for the first time that can control the tempo of a football game and keep us close, any position on the other side of the ball that you can fill with a first round round draft pick at a position of need, the better balance you are going to have as a football team..
We must quantify the impact on a team that hits on 4 consecutive first round talents..The totality of that talent will make an impact eventually, sexy or not,All four are big, athletic, talented football players at important positions, and when your starting point was barely 1 and 15, those positions must be filled, well, we did, with talent.
The draft has just begun, lets see what happenns...I'am excited as hell..
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dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member
What year are we in for this rebuilding project?
We have a realistic chance to make the playoffs this year ?
Our impact players are who?
How many mediocre years does this regime get? If they double their home wins form a year ago does that buy them one more year? two more years?
The plan is exactly what?
Results are an afterthought ?
Wrong direction , this team is floundering ....we won't sniff the playoffs this year imho.miamiron likes this. -
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"We must quantify the impact on a team that hits on 4 consecutive first round talents"
Odrick and Pouncey clearly haven't made any impact. They may , but they haven't. Vontae has flashed , but been inconsistent , can't see that being debated.
Again, the results are? At some point you have to realize wins and losses and playoff wins as the measuring stick. Lots of excuses being made for this team and this teams regime , imo. -
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It is based on the gap widening , imo , between Miami and NE and NY and other playoff caliber teams. -
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Ingram? A 4 yard and a cloud of dust RB... thats the "impact player"? No. We can get an RB like that in the 3rd-4th. Who else in the first round was an "impact player" that we could have had?
Fact is, this first round SUCKED in terms of the round's talent matching up with our needs. Heavy in DL, which is the one position on our team we have tons of players at. There werent any impact players in the middle of the first to be had. Any QB worth a 1st rounder went before our pick, and we had no ammo to move up to get one.
The 1st round sucked in terms of the talent we needed vs. the talent available. I havent been happy about it since before the draft. See: I REALLY hate this draft!!!
But to blame the Fins for there not being an available playmakers in the 1st is nonsense...
Trading down was Option #1, #2, and #3... but there were no trade partners. At that point, you have to take one of the best players on the board that makes sense for your team... and Pouncey was the only one...2k5, siciliansith and BlameItOnTheHenne like this. -
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I do not share D22's pessimism as I feel the team is still young and will improve and grow through the maturation process, and adding Edds and Odie will help the defense instantly, however the Offense is not very different from where it was in 2008 heading into the season and prior to adding Pennington..lots of questions. -
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I don't see Pouncey as being significantly better than several lineman available later in the first. So the option to trade down , or up was there. Ireland stated , he never made calls to move down...nice...proactive there.
Maybe they don't feel Gabbert is a legitimate above average QB , but he certainly was there to select if they wanted him. Again , it is the pattern of ignoring the important position of QB , and hoping something works , and limiting this team with dynamic players , when we have to compete against them on other teams , by not addressing the need over the length of this tenure. -
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the only problems this team has had the last couple years were injury prone players and bad coaching ....
we've ditched most of the injury prone guys, and some of the bad coaches .... but one big one still remains :wink2:
if we don't catch a sniff of the playoffs in the next 2 years -- Fat Man Tony will be the reason why ...... :pity: -
I think we will be a better team this year than last, with the research I'am doing I feel confident that the team was not far off talent wise, and were being lead by an offensive coordinator that did not now how to use his personnel in a consistent fashion, or take advantage of certain enviable situations with clever playcalling, botttom line, if you believe in rhythm as an offense, he did many things to destroy it..Also 22, I saw very subpar efforts on behalf of Ronnie and Ricky..I think these 3 factors were the culprits of our demise.
Impact players our Cam Wake, Jake Long, Vontae Davis, Brandon Marshall, 4 of the top 5 core positions are probowl and probowl in waiting players....Karlos Dansby, the whole dline from top to bottom.
The plan is to continue to build thru the draft, it is year 4, and from where we started, not until after year 4 is it fair to judge imo.
I think 9 and 7 gets them another year..
Results have to be put in context..
What i'am trying to get at in this thread is that if these 4 pan out, which there are good signs that they will, that initself is a rare feat in todays NFL, and will eventually show itself in terms of impact.siciliansith likes this. -
Let me ask you a question 22, the way we play the jets and pats, do you think there is such a big discrepency head to head? -
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I think 3 years is more than acceptable and if you are not close you better be trending that way. I don't see we are to be honest. Sure we have some players, hard to not have imo. We don't have the players needed though and I feel that the gap between NE and NY and Miami is going the wrong direction. I really do.
Like I said , if we don't own free agency , no way we make the playoffs and that to me signals a regime change , especially when you don't have a QB in place to build on and to move forward with. Just my opinion , though I can't see the positives that others do to think we are a playoff team this year. -
It's hard to say we weren't close to sniffing the playoffs when we were three simple plays away from being 10-6 (drop by Langford, drop by Carroll, and a botched call giving us a loss that was really a win). There's no excuses...but some seasons, luck just isn't on a team's side.
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Vontae is gonna be a great corner in this league, I have enough data to make that assessment..Odrick did not get injured on the first play at buffalo, while he was in the game, I saw what i needed to see, and what I saw, was impressive, Pouncey Iam not worried about..
Basically this is about what is fair considering the variables inherited...If folks want to cut ties before they play their 4th season, than I dont think thats right no matter how much you dont like them. -
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An impressive four year streak? We only know that two of those were good picks. Drafts have improved in Miami but let's not get carried away here. We're already declaring a guy who played one game and a guy drafted yesterday successful picks? I think just as important as the draft is whether the coaching has improved. Our success or failure hinges on Tony Sparano.
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Honestly, a regime entering year 4 without a Qb is usually on its way out. I expect us to mortgage the future on someone like Kolb, Palmer or Orton in hopes of scraping into the playoffs and saving the front office and coaching staffs jobs. To me thats not drafting exceptionally well. The front office needed to take a shot somewhere, not wait around for a Henne in round 2 or pickup a Thigpen for a late draft pick.
We did not make Qb a priority and we simply are not a contending team without one. I hope Henne improves or maybe a move for a veteran works out, who knows, but 4 years into this regime and we really have no idea who will be starting at the Qb position in a few months? Thats failure to me, don't get me wrong this regime has put together some very good players and Jake Long is a premier talent at LT so its not like we are inept at drafting but we just haven't made Qb a priority and its taking this team down IMHO.texanphinatic, jw3102 and muscle979 like this. -
Pats took Mallet just to keep us from getting a Qb at good value in a later pick.
Belicheat and his chess playing moves.
His ways of taking a swing before the game hits the field. Of course this is just IMO.
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Good thread. Didn't Odrick come 2nd in DROY only behind Suh?
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we draft in 2008...
Merling at 33 a huge underachiever
Henne at 57 and is still a question 4 years later
Shawn Murphy at 110...what a freaking stupid pick BUST
Jalen Parmele at 176...another BUST pick
Donald Thomas at 195...BUST
Lex Hillard at 204...Mr. ZERO carries last season
Lionel Dotson at 245...7 tackles in 5 games over 3 years...BUST
My point being you can't just hit on first round picks
that should be a given but picking #1 and having a 1-15
record you should be able to load your roster with new young talent
and we failed miserably in 2008
Look at our 4th to 7th round draft picks of this regime
picks that should bolster your depth and hopefully get a few
very good player in the process over a period of 3 years
2008
Shawn Murphy
Donald Thomas
Jalen Parmele
Lex Hillard
Lionel Dotson
2009
Brian Hartline
Chris Clemons
John Nalbone
Andrew Gardner
TJ Folsum
2010
AJ Edds
Reshad Jones
Chris Mccoy
Austin Spitler
Talk about drafting non factors in the 4th to 7th rounds
for a team that was 1-15
Who knows what 2010 draft class will look like but In
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We are exceptionally mediocre...
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