With the probable signing if Peppers to the Ratriots, how do all of you think Long would/will fair against arguably the best rusher in the league?
Truthfully, I wish I could get a handle on it, one half of me says Peppers would beat Long, the other half says Long can handle peppers, so unfortunately I simply dont know...
Hence the thread
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Big Jake should be fine, if some kind fan would care to look, I'd bet he got sacks in bunches and generally against poorer teams, I don't recall him being much of a factor when the Cards dragged the Panthers in the playoffs.
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Long will be fine against peppers. But if the patriots start disguising blitz schemes' a second year tackle could have the odd problem. Don't see it being so bad that it's detrimental to a game however.
If Smiley is beside long when we play the pats I really don't see Peppers effecting that side of the line at all. -
And this make the Carey signing all the better, if things go right we may be able to block one on one, that would basically destroy the Pats scheme.calphin likes this. -
To be honest, I really dont think Peppers is all that great. hes good, no doubt, but I'm really not worried about him being traded to N/E.
I think the guy is really overrated.
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I would not mind him in Miami, but he wouldn't be "the guy" to take us to a Super Bowl, he's just not that type of player.
When Carolina went to the Super Bowl, it was due to Kris Jenkins just being an absolute beast, he and Brenston Buckner were just unblockable that year. -
Just a point of order. It is more likely that Vernon carey will be the one matched up against Peppers more as Peppers would be more likely to play the strong side slot due to his size and power. Adalius Thomas will more than likely be the weak side guy IMO.
Putting both Peppers and Seymour on the same side allows offenses to run to the opposite side of the field. Mind you Seymour has mailed it in compared to his first few seasons in the league, but still.
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If they get peppers I'll be concerned because it's one more person you have to game plan for.padre31 likes this. -
Peppers has not signed his "franchise" contract as of yet, so techincally, he is still a FA, more then likely the Pats and Panthers have the structure in place and Peppers and his agent are ball parking a contract.
When the draft rolls around cover your ears, even before they take a pick it will be all "the Patriots are geniuses" for hours.:yes:anlgp likes this. -
Peppers is aging and jake is getting better and getting stronger and getting bigger and getting smarter. edge goes to jake.
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While I love having Jake Long...kid is a STUD.
Peppers is a Star DE, who knows if he can stand up and be as effective. But any team that gets him will be much better. We have struggled like most with the Pats defensive scheme, add Peppers into the mix and it gets much worse.
RIGHT NOW...Peppers would win more times in a game vs. Jake Long. Saying otherwise is being a bit of a homer, not a really bad one b/c Jake is a great rising star. I also think that Jake will make Peppers look silly on some plays. But overall would have a less than stellar performance vs. Peppers on the Pats.
Peppers is a beast and causes offenses to gameplan around him on passing downs. No other way to look at it. Chances are if the article said Miami, some would be on here with a much different tune.Bpk likes this. -
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Yeah, the use of the 'homer' label, or ANY label/name is really a touchy thing and best avoided.
I think it could be better stated that we would probably be focusing more on Peppers' strengths if Miami were looking to sign him, and more apt to see his flaws if he might sign with a division rival whom we hate.
It may be a bias at play, but not necessarily. It certainly doesn;t invalidate the arguements of any and all who think Peppers is overrated.
Personally, I have thought Peppers seemed to be inconsistent and not physically tough/resilient enough. I have a feeling that if he gets his nose bloodied by a very aggressive O-line and power running game like ours, he will be less effective (much like Javon Kearse, these lanky athletes are at their best when not being mauled by inline drive-blocking).
Now, the best point I have heard so far, is the NFL network analyst who noted that with Seymour, Bruschi, Thomas, Mayo lined up, peppers probably wono't be double blocked as often. That could certainly free Peppers to roam free and attack.
I also think a guy like Peppers absolutely kills your wide runs or HB screens to that side of the field.
Peppers is a bigger version of Jason Taylor. He has a great edge rush, a great 'slap' move where he slaps the ball from the QB's hand as he arcs around behind him (causing fumbles).
In this highlight video he absolutely abuses Cooper Carlisle, walking him back with a bullrush and getting a sack:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80eae4f2
Most of his sacks came from LT's not getting a deep enough first step on their kick-slide. He has such burst off that edge. Now, whether he is as explosive from a two-point stance remains to be seen. He does, however fight back to the inside very well to gain inside leverage when the O-lineman goes TOO far outside to contain Peppers' edge-speed.
He really is a lot to handle. THe best thing I could think of would be to run right at him and over him, physically wearing him down with our running game so he is on his heels and beat up by the time passing downs are coming up.
I don;t want to face him twice a year.
And I am also sick of the entire NFL sending it's talent to our division. Lito Sheppard, Terrell Owens, Leigh Bodden, Eric Green, Joey Galloway, Bart Scott, and now maybe Julius Peppers. Heck all of them except Bart Scott are moving from the NFC to the AFC too. And all to our lil ol AFC East division.
Meanwhile the division has lost Laveranues Coles, Matt Cassel (who would not have started this year), Mike Vrabel, Vonnie Holiday, and Andre Goodman.
Seriously, the inflow of talent into this division FAR outweighs the outflow.
This could very well be the most talented division in football next season. Us or the NFC East.Frumundah Finnatic and The Aqua Crush like this. -
Kinda sounds reminiscent of JT against Boselli... How'd that go?
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Even marginal LTs "win" more battles against top-flight DE/LBs through the course of a game. That's just a silly comment, regardless of the "homer" insult, which others have addressed properly. -
It was not meant towards just anyone that says something different from me... -
It's about sacks, causing early throws, getting into the QB's head about blindside hits, getting into Jake's head about the quick 1st step or is he going to fake it and bull rush...ooopps offside Offense.
Guys I love the Jake Long pick last year and after watching him play I think he will be a TOP 5 LT for MANY YEARS. He is a stud...but a very young pup right now compared to a player at his peek with years of experience. That is all I am trying to say. -
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I doubt anyone would say that his play in 2008 was better than every LT in the NFL. I might I'd trade him straight up for Ryan Clady. Clady was a first-team All-Pro and his contract is six-years, for $14M ($11M guaranteed). Jake Long's is for five years and $57.5M ($30M guaranteed).
Granted, I've never watched Clady play (God, I feel stupid typing that). Seriously, though, Clady arguably had a better season than Long. He's just as young and a helluva lot cheaper for the ole salary cap. I know for a fact that Long is an intense leader who is tough as all get out. I'm sure Broncos fans would say the same about Clady.
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But Clady isn't as good a run blocker as Jake Long is. Long aboslutely dominates in that area.
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