Yeah, ok. The fact that the Rams offered him the best contract had nothing to do with it. Enjoy life in your dream world.
Jake Long got something closer to William Beatty money from the Giants iirc. Don't kid yurself about what good LTs make. As to what Mr. Clean is saying, I don't necesarily agree with him, but what is Jake going to say to the media after the fact, "Screw Miami, I went for the money"? Throwing that article that I posted twice in this thread in his face isn't accomplishing much. The story here is the back story, what happened behind the scenes. If Long wasn't crazy about Philbin (just my guess) and then you have Ireland and Dawn Aponte to deal with telling you you're injured all the time and not worth what you think you are, I'd probably be pissed as well.
Like I asked you before, AFTER he signed with the Rams, what else do you expect him to say? Do you really think he is going to say anything publicly, other than express happiness with being there?
AFTER he signed with the Rams, what else do you expect him to say? Do you really think he is going to say anything publicly, other than express happiness with being there?
You might not get the proof on this issue unless you bugged the Dolphins and Rams facilities and Jake Long's house. What do you want, an FBI file? Until one of the people involved in that situation writes a book or something like that we might never know. It would be nice to see a tell all interview on the subject, but I doubt that will happen.
So using that, you are speculating with 100% certainty that Miami offered less guaranteed money without any actual evidence?
There is no concrete evidence. The only thing we have are after the fact politically correct quotes made by Long. As if he'd say anything else at that point. Being a logical person, which comes with being agnostic, I try to look at things with a little logic applied. Long is a professional athlete, being paid for his services. It is logical to me that he would choose to do that for the team that was guaranteeing to put the most money in his pocket.
Really, thanks for posting that and clearing up for me why I started this thread. You must have not been reading it very carefully.
You are welcome, I am not commenting on the entire thread. I am commenting on the posts that I am reading. The world does not revolve around you.
I am also agnostic and logical and you are missing the emotional part, which does effect human beings. Athletes have HUGE egos and can be swayed by their emotions such as being disrespected.
you can say this exact statement to you for repeatedly asking about the behind the scenes reasons Jake left town....
The thing that people focus on in the Dallas game was one play, where DeMarcus Ware bull rushed him and planted Jake on his ***. That is all the proof most anyone needs around here to justify Ireland not resigning him. He sucks and wasn't worth his contract because that one play signifies his entire season. Except it doesn't The last center selected higher than Pouncey, btw, was about 20 years ago. Steve Everitt by the Browns. 14th overall.
When did this become a trial? The Rams probably did have a better offer with more guaranteed money on the table. Then the Dolphins apparently scrambled to up their offer and Jake told them to eff off. I think that Long did want the money- for pride and well, for the money. MR. Clean is probably for the most part right- money was the number one issue. My question, a good part of why I started this thrread, is that i'm wondering in the back of my mind what else happened that might have alienated Long as per the Dolphins organization. None of us are sure, and all of this demanding of definitive proof is a bit ridiculous. The Long situation is a good litmus test as to how this organization operates, and where it stands in the eyes of players. A poorly run operation over the last 15 years or so run by jerks- if that's the case it's not a good combination and players will reject it. I think that Jake Long took a look at the organization as a whole, compared similar offers while having to deal with Jeff ireland and Dawn Aponte and said screw it, I'm going to St.Louis.
Anytime an athlete is asked to test the market it alienates them. That is the one of the main reasons the Seahawks lost out on Steve Hutchenson.
Well I would say that the difference is that I'm searching for well thought out opinions, not demanding definitive proof like this is some kind of a court case. This thread was decent until a couple of you started attacking Mr. Clean for- how dare he- asserting his opinion on the matter. He feels that it was a clear cut case of Jake Long going for the money- nothing wrong with that opinion, a heck of a lot better than the "show me the proof" childish tangent that this thread went on. I'll listen to his opinion any day, even if I disagree with it.
That was because their starting tackles were out. They have one of the McQuistan twins playing LT and a rookie 7th rounder playing RT. Quinn and Howie's kid ate their lunch. McQuistan is a worse left tackle than Garner was a couple years ago, when he had to fill in for Jake, and he has a very mobile QB to protect. Garner was trying to protect the comparatively immobile Matt Moore.
So, Miami offered more guaranteed money, yet he still decided to bolt for the beauty of St Louis? That is your opinion?
Can we get off of this nitpicking as to whether or not the Rams offer was definitively greater? I really don't care. As long as the offers were close and Long chose the Rams, that tells me something and makes me want to find out more. Hammering Mr. Clean over the exact dollar amounts of the contracts and whose was higher is childish and waste of time. My guess is that the Rams offer was for a few bucks more and more guaranteed money- seriously who cares, the offers were close.
You got me on that one, I take that back! Couldn't say that other than in jest, that dude was a piece of work.
My opinion is that I do not know and it is possible that Miami did offer more guaranteed money and he decided to go to the team that actually wanted him instead of the team that kind of wanted him. I also think if Miami offered him a significant amount more money that he would have stayed, however he probably would have been signed before free agency or shopping around would have been to see if he could just get a significant amount more than Miami was willing to.
I pretty much agree with that, but in this context my point is, why should the Dolphins have to offer significantly more money to entice Jake Long to stay? What does that say about the state of the franchise and how it's perceived by players? How attractive is Miami as an organization, do players really want to play here. Are Joe Philbin, Jeff Ireland and Dawn Aponte attracting or repulsing players? That's what I want to know. The flip side is, for all I know Jake Long likes St. Louis weather better than here, can't stand the humidity so he bolted. I just don't know.
I don't think Jake Long is worth the money the Rams paid him. I know I could be wrong in the future, however I don't think his body can hold up and I think for the money he is paid he should be a better pass blocker than 22nd in the league. His run blocking would have helped a lot this season, however his contract wasn't for one year. The problem I have is Clabo was a terrible replacement. In fact he was beyond terrible. I am more upset with not signing a better replacement and a back up plan in case Martin fails. Miami had the money, however they chose not to spend it. With how this season is turning out I am curious if Ross gives the FO another season to see if their plan works. That is a lot of moving pieces to make a big change. Still it is hard to not get emotional and just fire them all.
The reason they lost Hutchinson was because of the poison pill the Vikings put into his offer sheet. Anytime? Really? Ryan Clark tested the market and resigned with Pittsburgh. I guess he wasn't alienated. There goes that theory.
Because that was the reality before the last Collective Bargaining Agreement. Players are acting like nothing has changed. Look at last season, a lot of players who thought they were going to get a pay day didn't. It will probably happen again next season. My guess is that Starks is in for a rude awakening when he realizes that he would be lucky to sign a contract as big as the one Miami offered him. For players who are not quarterbacks and top wide receivers and are 28 to 29 and above, they are going to feel the sting of being offered less than what they think they are worth. At least that is my opinion.
Totally correct. After being paid a ton of money since being drafted he decided that whatever the difference it was probably irrelevant. In the grand scheme would you care about having $50M or $60M in the bank. Surely you'd just shrug your shoulders and do what feels right. I honestly doubt the money was relevant. I have never been to stl but I'd imagine there are a number of things better in Florida. He probably just felt it more.
The Seahawks would have been estatic to sign Hutchinson to a contract that the Vikings gave him. They even signed Walter Jones to a new contract to try to get around the poison pill. In fact the poison pill was put into the contract because Hutchinson didn't want to go back to the Seahawks. Just because a player is alientated doesn't mean he doesn't change his mind later, this isn't a video game. Ryan Clark also learned that grass wasn't greener on the other side.
Well, he physically looked fantastic last night, big strong and quick. Played great. Not worth the money? If ireland could turn the clock back he's jump at another chance to sign him. Not signing him was the boner of the year, worse than the Wallace signing. I'm not giving up on Wallace and hope that he turns it around, but I still have hope for him down here. Not signing Long has been a complete and utter disaster. Ireland tried his best to replace him and failed, miserably.
