Jared Odrick Love From Fox/Scout.com

Ok had a little adventure in setting up the quotes there. All sorted out :)

I'm excited to see this guy in action

odrick doesn't move real well laterally unfortunately
projected as a 3-4 five technique DE
now we are possibly going 4-3/hybrid
i dont see him getting at the QB imo

Jerry is going to hear it this year because of that.

"Killerphins wrote:

odrick doesn't move real well laterally unfortunately
projected as a 3-4 five technique DE
now we are possibly going 4-3/hybrid
i dont see him getting at the QB imo

What?

I don't buy into the "Odrick will make people forget Taylor" hype, but dude will have fine pressure numbers.

Wake at one DE, Odrick at the other, Starks and Langford at DT, they will generate plenty of pressure.

"padre31 wrote:

What?

I don't buy into the "Odrick will make people forget Taylor" hype, but dude will have fine pressure numbers.

Wake at one DE, Odrick at the other, Starks and Langford at DT, they will generate plenty of pressure.

that is a ton of movement for guys who are geared to play 3-4
just to get the #1 pick involved
not only do i see the odrick pick as a project
but i see the scheme as a project

"Killerphins wrote:

odrick doesn't move real well laterally unfortunately
projected as a 3-4 five technique DE
now we are possibly going 4-3/hybrid
i dont see him getting at the QB imo

Your kidding right?

"Killerphins wrote:

that is a ton of movement for guys who are geared to play 3-4
just to get the #1 pick involved
not only do i see the odrick pick as a project
but i see the scheme as a project

Well, the way I see it, our Dline with Wake and Odrick on it would generate more pressure than a Lb corps with Misi and Anderson at OLB.

I've been banging on that drum for two years Killahp and I am really glad it is coming to pass.

Put it this way, all 4 players had success in the 4-3, imho their skills are good enough to relegate the 3-4 to part time/different look status.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Your kidding right?

no not at all
odrick uses his hands real well vertical guy
and he is better as a 3-4 DE
to suddenly expect him to fit as a 4-3 DE dont see it
his knock to me is lateral movement

"Killerphins wrote:

no not at all
odrick uses his hands real well vertical guy
and he is better as a 3-4 DE
to suddenly expect him to fit as a 4-3 DE dont see it
his knock to me is lateral movement

He kicks inside in the 4-3 Alignment. Starks moves back to DE in 4-3.

Odrick is going to have a huge impact.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

He kicks inside in the 4-3 Alignment. Starks moves back to DE in 4-3.

Odrick is going to have a huge impact.

starks is not a 4-3 DE bro
everyone knows that

I find it hard to believe they selected all of these LBs to play a base 4-3.

"smahtaz wrote:

I find it hard to believe they selected all of these LBs to play a base 4-3.

I'm not, 5 Lb's with two OLB positions open and Dansby on the roster, I think there will be a blood letting among the veterans on the Lb corps, as in maybe Charlie Anderson and JD Folsom last.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

He kicks inside in the 4-3 Alignment. Starks moves back to DE in 4-3.

Odrick is going to have a huge impact.

Won't matter, there are going to be many Dline stunts and slants into the backfield.

I love the thought of Wake at DE and Odrick at DE.

"smahtaz wrote:

I find it hard to believe they selected all of these LBs to play a base 4-3.

Exactly. What the hell is the other guy talking about?

"Killerphins wrote:

starks is not a 4-3 DE bro
everyone knows that

Damn you're right.

Starks and Odrick in the middle in the 4-3.

"Mcduffie81 wrote:

Exactly. What the hell is the other guy talking about?

Misi
Dansby
Anderson

Odrick
Langford/Soliai
Starks
Wake

Aside from Misi, all of those players are 4-3 players who also happen to be our most talented defenders at the moment.

Edds and Dansby are the ILB's in the 5-2 basically our nickel Lb's and Dobbins can play in the 3-4 packages.

Spitlik and McCoy are special teams players or practice squaders.

That means such luminaries as Crowder, Moses, Walden won't see the field all that much if they are still dolphins.

BTW, in that alignment you can see Misi's value, he will play the "53" or "Elephant" role as he played DT/DE and will play OLB in Miami..that shines some light, to me, why we chose him at #40.

"padre31 wrote:

Misi
Dansby
Anderson

Odrick
Langford/Soliai
Starks
Wake

Aside from Misi, all of those players are 4-3 players who also happen to be our most talented defenders at the moment.

Edds and Dansby are the ILB's in the 5-2 basically our nickel Lb's and Dobbins can play in the 3-4 packages.

Spitlik and McCoy are special teams players or practice squaders.

That means such luminaries as Crowder, Moses, Walden won't see the field all that much if they are still dolphins.

BTW, in that alignment you can see Misi's value, he will play the "53" or "Elephant" role as he played DT/DE and will play OLB in Miami..that shines some light, to me, why we chose him at #40.

If we need someone to play 4-3 d end especially on pass down id like to see quentin moses there again as he had a heck of a rookie season playing DE then last year we moved him to linebacker and he kind of fell off the map

"smahtaz wrote:

I find it hard to believe they selected all of these LBs to play a base 4-3.

"All of these?" Two were in round 7 and are probably development projects that would be fortunate enough just to make the team.

That leaves Misi, Edds and Dobbins. Considering we no longer have Taylor, Porter or Ayodele, I don't think it's much of an issue.

you guys are over analyzing all of this. us running a 3-4 and us running a 4-3 isn't too much of a big difference. In the end, these guys are football players. if they're on the field, it doesn't matter where they're standing, they know they have to stop the ball carrier and get the QB.

A football team isn't a machine, these guys aren't cogs that need to be plugged in exactly right, they're football players. They'll be fine. In fact, i think they'll be great.

Why do Penn State players always look slow on film? Anyways, from what I saw on youtube, Odrick was always dealing with double teams which speaks well of his power. He's basically our Richard Seymour, and those are pretty big shoes to fill...

"CitizenSnips wrote:

you guys are over analyzing all of this. us running a 3-4 and us running a 4-3 isn't too much of a big difference. In the end, these guys are football players. if they're on the field, it doesn't matter where they're standing, they know they have to stop the ball carrier and get the QB.

A football team isn't a machine, these guys aren't cogs that need to be plugged in exactly right, they're football players. They'll be fine. In fact, i think they'll be great.

schemes play a huge role with your personnel but I'll agree to a certain point.
in nolan's hybrid defense you want seven guys who can play up front and move around excluding linebackers. I still think in 4-3 Odrick moves inside because of his hands and his vertical ability. This draft has presented a lot of options in terms of moving guys around up front. i would not rule out seeing a 5-2 eagle front at times with starks playing the nose a a yard off the ball. It lends to zone but creates mismatches. The old fritz shurmmer defense.

starks at NT
odrick and langford at DT's
wake and misi at DE

"Killerphins wrote:

schemes play a huge role with your personnel but I'll agree to a certain point.
in nolan's hybrid defense you want seven guys who can play up front and move around excluding linebackers. I still think in 4-3 Odrick moves inside because of his hands and his vertical ability. This draft has presented a lot of options in terms of moving guys around up front. i would not rule out seeing a 5-2 eagle front at times with starks playing the nose a a yard off the ball. It lends to zone but creates mismatches. The old fritz shurmmer defense.

starks at NT
odrick and langford at DT's
wake and misi at DE

Exactly KillahP, this may or may not happen, "but" it is on the table for 2010.

To me, Mike Nolan is the most innovative DC since Arnsparger, Lil Nicky was good, but he was the Head Coach.

"padre31 wrote:

Exactly KillahP, this may or may not happen, "but" it is on the table for 2010.

To me, Mike Nolan is the most innovative DC since Arnsparger, Lil Nicky was good, but he was the Head Coach.

i griped about the odrick pick but im over it
he can move over in 4-3 and play DT create middle pressure
in 3-4 DE he is 5 technique guy
thats the way i see it
don't see odrick as a 4-3 DE really