the rest of it is kind of important too

especially the part of where he said it was made more publicly in than in the locker room...

 

eh, the more and more I hear about Cam the more I see how bad of a HC he was. His main knock, no leadership ability whatsoever which is one thing the quote refers to

 

Parcells also pubically said he would like to keep JT. If JT stays I think he plays much better in 08 than in 07 out of respect for Parcells alone vs. the disrespect he (and half the team had) for Cam. The vets must be LOVING this move

 

Yep, in other words it was more the media than with the team.

 

Taylor, the 2006 Defensive Player of the Year, was on the NBC conference call because he will be a guest analyst this weekend for the network's Football Night in America show.

''Bill Parcells was hired a couple weeks ago and with that, you knew he would make changes to try to correct this situation we find ourselves in,'' Taylor said. ``A couple days ago, Randy Mueller was let go [as general manager]. And now, Coach Cameron and his staff. It's one of those times, where as a player, it's a little unsettling because you don't really know what's going to happen. Everything is kind of up in the air. You don't have a whole lot of control over it. You step back and control the things that you can and let the things go that you can't. That's the only reaction I could have at this point.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/366393.html

 

I think he is glad Cam is gone. I dont think JT bought into, nor liked any move he made from day 1

 

This is just more of the same stuff....Cam is gone and now is time to move on....is a fresh start and the good thing is you can see that Bill and Ireland are in the same page......the HC will be on the same page too....there's gonna be 1 direction from now on and anyone who's not on board with it will not be a part of the team.

Ozzy rules!!

 

well historically JT usually gets off to slow starts. did he deserve the pro bowl, i cant argue that he did or didnt. But when asked what Parcells would do with JT he said, that he would like to keep him and its his philosophy that you keep the good players you have, and try to aquire more good players... Now what he does with ZT, I dont know. But I would think that if he keeps JT, he keeps ZT. If he releases ZT then were gonna have some major issues at MLB because Crowder isnt good enough to start at that position

 

Don't like Cam very much as a head coach. And if you've seen my rants about him lately, you'd agree that is an understatement.
Generally the head coach asserting his authority, especially in his first year, is important. If Cam hadn't challenged JT, and the team still performed the way they did this year, Feely could just as easily be saying that Cam's problem was that he let others assume the leadership role for the team. So I'm not sure that Feely has pinpointed the cause of the problems with Cam's leadership, but he is telling us that there was a big problem. More than a lot of Cam defenders want to admit.

What I find interesting is how quickly these comments were made. Less than 24 hours after his demise, the kicker of all players is calling out Cam's leadership. Whether it was this move that showed Cam's lack of leadership or not, the bottom line is that Feely is telling us that the locker room didn't believe in Cam. That is why he wasn't given another year. Great coordinator, bad leader. Good riddance.

 

Taylor has earned his respect as a player in this league, Cam has not as a head coach.

 

Well if he lost the confidence of the kicker then I agree that Cameron should have been let go

 

I think Parcells would be open to trading Taylor...for the right price. Which, in turn, I doubt anyone will play. Taylor is still extremely valuable to this team. It's just that we are in long term mode now, and he only has so many more years in him.

I don't get Cam singling Taylor out much like I didn't get it when Saban once singled out Zach. These guys are practically like having an extra pair of coaches. They are always motivated, play at an extremely high level, and do it for the team. Why single a guy like that out?

 

I was suspect about Cam when he was talking about starting Chatman over Ronnie, I knew then he was not going to make it as a head coach.

 

and starting ronnie as KR, and playing JT on ST's...Overall Cam didnt know what he was doing. He made mistakes a high school coach wouldnt make

 

The NFL Litmus test! :up:

 

Yeah, I forgot about the Ronnie at KR experiment, that was ridiculous.:confused2:

 

My God, cant you see the obvious?
That move wasn't a colossal mistake in personnel assessment and utilization at all!
That move was the move of a master motivator!
:lol:

 

how about calling a timeout after an incomplete pass... Oh man, the list just goes on and on from training camp all the way to week 17...

How did we not lose a game during our bye week is another question :glare:

 

You know, everyone questioned what Cam did to Ronnie, making him return kickoffs, talk of starting Chatman and look what it did to Ronnie, ignited a fire in him and thats exactly what Cam wanted. Ronnie was a beast right before he got injured, definitely on pace to be in the pro-bowl. Maybe Cam tried to do the same with JT? (This is speculation) Except it backfired with JT because of his ego. Maybe Cam came into the situation, saw Ronnie and JT slacking off in practice and decided to fire them up SOMEHOW. How do you do that? Have them prove to you that they want to play, have them compete like they want it. It probably didn't work with JT either because Dom didn't know what the H he was doing with the defense and that probably frustrated JT further. You know, JT did give the game ball to Cam when they won so maybe he understood what Cam was trying to do, and appreciated it. Who knows, this is just one person's view, a kicker, and y'all are running with it. No one knows what JT and Cam have said to each other away from Feely.

 

JT was a beast without Cam. Cam tried to tame the beast, then the alpha male came in and bit him in the ***.

Goodbye Cam Cameron. YOU FOUR EYED MFER!!!!!

 

If it was only the kicker the guy might still be around. The kicker is the one telling us that he lost the confidence of the team.

 

Hes not just a "Kicker" he is also the union player rep so he has to have SOME creditibilitly, right? Whos to say that Cam actually DID light a fire under Ronnies butt? I think the fire was already there because Cam tried doing the same thing with Cleo, and Beck, and that didnt work...

Im not saying Cam didnt motivate Ronnie some what, but its my opinion that Ronnie is responsible for some of his own productivity instead of giving it all to Cam

 

To me, this just proves the great character of Jason Taylor and how he STILL performed as a probowler despite all of the adversity he went through this year. He truly should be a hall of famer with no problem. I just wish he could go out winning a super bowl with zach thomas who i also believe deserves to be a hall of famer.

 

While i agree with you that this would (and did) work well with ronnie, there was no need to do it with JT. Why would you try to do that to a guy who just won the NFL's Defensive MVP award just a season ago? JT doesnt need to be fired up, its in him, just playing football on sundays for him is enough motivation.

 

I agree, Feely does deserve some credibility, my point about the kicker reference is that it's not coming from JT or Cam themselves so it doesn't hold a lot of water. All this "he said, "she said" is nothing but gossip. I'd be interested to see what JT has to say about the situation.

 

I agree. You, me we would see that, we understand that, JT doesn't need it he has earned respect. maybe Cam was put off by JT's behavior in training camp maybe he was slacking off thinking hey, I'm DPOY, leave me alone. Maybe that rubbed Cam the wrong way, and if he let's JT walk all over him how does that make Cam look? Star players get territorial when new coaches come in because you never know how long they're going to stick around. Like now, we have a new head coach every year. You notice Cam didnt have a problem with Zach, maybe because he gives 110% ALL the time in every practice and training camp.

 

I agree with all the gossip stuff. The league would be a better place without it..

Heres JT's take on it. He doesnt really agree or disagree with the firing but fro what we know about what JT thought of Cam's moves I think JT agreed with the decision.

"We've had a difficult year, and it's one of those times when it's a little unsettling," he said. "As a player on the team, you can only control what you can, and for other things, you have to let others do it." .. JT

 

You make it sound like Cam only had to fire up 2 players, and 50% ain't bad because JT has an ego. What about the other 51+ players that Cam failed to light a fire under this season?

Who cares what Cam and JT's relationship was outside of Feely's line of sight. The point he was making was the locker room reaction to Cam's efforts to diminish Taylor publicly.

 

While the first part is true the last line not all justified :sad:

 

Maybe Cam didn't have to light a fire under the other 51+ players because they were playing their butts off in training camp and practice. Like I posted, you don't see people gossiping about Zach and Cam do you? Maybe because those players including Zach gave 110% in training camp and practice. I think everyone played their hearts out, including JT, but it's impossible to produce results in this league when your defense cannot stop teams. You can't simply outscore opponents unless you're the Patriots.

And how do we even know what Feely means by diminished? Do you know? I certainly don't. And I don't care. Diminish could mean, Hey, we play as a team, no one gets special treatment and that includes you JT. It seems like a big deal made out of nothing. Cam's gone now and it doesn't even make a difference. Fact is, JT had enough sincere respect to give Cam the game ball from their first win.

 

JT is a classy guy showing respect to a rookie head coach getting his first win. You can have respect for a guy without believing in their abilities to lead a team. I have respect for Cam too, he is a remarkable person and has a positive outlook, I just don't think he is a good head coach.

In my experience, people that I've truly liked as people were the worst bosses I had. And the people who I couldn't stand on a personal level turned out to be the best bosses. That seems to often be the case in the NFL. Tony Dungy being the rare exception I can think of.

Playing their butts off in training camp and practice? What about the games where they looked and played like s***? One player looks better in 2007 than he did the previous year, and Cam somehow gets the credit. Have you heard from anyone claiming Taylor is dogging it to the point that Cam needed to challenge him?

You seem to have decided that diminished meant challenging Taylor for not give 110% while claiming we can't know what he actually meant by diminished. But like I've already pointed out earlier in this thread, it doesn't matter what Feely thought was the root cause of the problem, but the fact that he is telling us there was a problem. Cameron lost the team.

When did Cam lose the team? Maybe it was early on. It's more likely it was later, once Zach's concussions sidelined him meaning there was no reason to challenge?

It really blows my mind that Dolphin fans assume that the best player the Dolphins have had over the past decade, who isn't known as a head case is the problem rather than the coach who went 1-15 and has never been successful as a head coach.

 

Nail, hammer, head.

 

Some good points, but understand that not once have I said JT was a problem, or the cause of this situation. I'm just speculating, trying to make sense out of a comment Jay Feely made about a relationship between JT and Cam and the locker room gossiping about it. JT and Zach are the heart of this defense and it pains me to see them lose after what they bring to the Dolphins every year. It's not their fault, they bleed aqua and orange.

 

oh god, did you actually read my posts? I never said it was JT's fault.

If it was anyone's "fault" it was Cam trying to stir up some fire in JT, which he obviously doesn't need.

 

I understand your point. I just think that what makes most sense isn't JT dogging it, or being someone who needed to have his leadership diminished. It is possible, but if we are speculating I wouldn't put the chances of that being the case over 5%. I think Feely, especially being a first year Dolphin, has no reason to be loyal to Taylor over Cameron. I think he may be wrong about the root cause, but that he is saying that Cameron left a bad taste "in all of the player's mouths" means Cam lost the team somewhere along the way.

 

Well maybe Parcells can get JT to stay. Not the first time hes made a player called Taylor perform to his best. :thumbup:
Not suprised with the Feely comments. Hes a players union rep guy so hes hardly making it up.