jets December to Remember

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GARDENHEADGARDENHEADsubscriberOP
Nov 30, 2010, 04:30 PM

The jets December schedule is BRUTAL

@ Pats
MIAMI
@Steelers
@ Bears
BUFFALO (Jan 2)

Not only are three of these games against division leaders, but they are all outdoors, in the cold weather. Last time I checked, Mark Sanchez don't play so good in the cold. Ladanian Tomlinson is no spring chicken. Those old-man hammies tend to get sore in the cold weather.

We all remember 2008 jets. Sitting pretty at 8-3, coming off a big win at the Titans. Everybody was talking about how the jets were the best team in the league. They proceeded to win only one more game, finishing 9-7.

History will repeat itself.

Tanking is like taking a Greyhound bus cross-country. Sure, it may eventually get you where you want to go, but it’s messy and unpleasant and uncomfortable, it stinks, the entire time you’ll be wishing you weren’t there, and not everybody along for the ride is going to make it to the end. - Quote stolen from Deadspin

muscle979muscle979forum_veteran
Nov 30, 2010, 04:39 PM

We need to win out and have them lose three out of the last five. That's just to get into tiebreaker scenarios. We really need to win every game and have the Jets, Pats, Steelers, or Ravens fall apart in December. This is a tough year, some seasons we would still be in pretty decent shape right now. That ref screw job in the Steelers game could really bite us in the rear.

GreenMachineGreenMachineNew Member
Nov 30, 2010, 05:11 PM

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

The jets December schedule is BRUTAL

Last time I checked, Mark Sanchez don't play so good in the cold.

based on what?

He has played in 2 games below 40 degrees.

MarinePhinFanMarinePhinFanNew Member
Nov 30, 2010, 05:28 PM

"GreenMachine wrote:

based on what?

He has played in 2 games below 40 degrees.


I'm not sure about one of those games, but in the other he threw 5 INT's. :up:

People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them. ----George Bernard Shaw

GreenMachineGreenMachineNew Member
Nov 30, 2010, 05:44 PM

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

I'm not sure about one of those games, but in the other he threw 5 INT's. :up:

No..Incorrect.

Vs Cincy he threw zero picks.

In the other game under 40..he threw 3 picks. That was vs Atlanta.

The game he threw 5 picks was vs Buffalo in October of 2009.

In the playoff game in Cincy it was below freezing..

12-15 182 yards 1 TD 0 INT

MarinePhinFanMarinePhinFanNew Member
Nov 30, 2010, 07:08 PM

"GreenMachine wrote:

No..Incorrect.

Vs Cincy he threw zero picks.

In the other game under 40..he threw 3 picks. That was vs Atlanta.

The game he threw 5 picks was vs Buffalo in October of 2009.

In the playoff game in Cincy it was below freezing..

12-15 182 yards 1 TD 0 INT


LMAO! Poor Jests fans.

Can you guys never get anything right?

The Oct. 2009 game was the first game Sanchez ever played where the temp was under 55 degrees. The game time temperature for that game was 42F with a wind chill of 30F.

Here is a quote:

It was body-numbing for the fans who sat through it at the frigid Meadowlands and mind-numbing to comprehend. The Jets rushed for 318 yards, including a franchise-record 210 by Thomas Jones (71-yard touchdown run), but they committed six turnovers and blew a 13-3 lead to lose their third straight game. The horror show ended on Rian Lindell's 47-yard field goal with 2:44 left in OT.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/10/18/2009-10-18_loss_to_bills_a_kick_in_the_pants_for_jets.html

So if the NEW YORK DAILY NEWS calls the temperature "frigid" it must have been pretty cold.

So, thanks for proving me right. In Sanchez's 3 cold weather games he has thrown 8 INT's with 1 TD and is 1-2.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them. ----George Bernard Shaw

padre31padre31luxury_box
Nov 30, 2010, 07:16 PM

Alright someone PM Byroan and have him put Sanchez back into his siggy.

BicketyBamBicketyBamforum_veteran
Nov 30, 2010, 07:20 PM

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

LMAO! Poor Jests fans.

Can you guys never get anything right?

The Oct. 2009 game was the first game Sanchez ever played where the temp was under 55 degrees. The game time temperature for that game was 42F with a wind chill of 30F.

Here is a quote:

It was body-numbing for the fans who sat through it at the frigid Meadowlands and mind-numbing to comprehend. The Jets rushed for 318 yards, including a franchise-record 210 by Thomas Jones (71-yard touchdown run), but they committed six turnovers and blew a 13-3 lead to lose their third straight game. The horror show ended on Rian Lindell's 47-yard field goal with 2:44 left in OT.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/10/18/2009-10-18_loss_to_bills_a_kick_in_the_pants_for_jets.html

So if the NEW YORK DAILY NEWS calls the temperature "frigid" it must have been pretty cold.

So, thanks for proving me right. In Sanchez's 3 cold weather games he has thrown 8 INT's with 1 TD and is 1-2.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!


I guess compared to Miami weather, 42 degrees is arctic cold. We'll just throw out the fact that it was his 6th game as a pro. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it. It was the 42 degree temperature. I'm just not sure how to explain the playoff game in Cincinnati....21 degrees with a windchill of 9....yet by some miracle he was able to go 12/15 for 182 1/0 for a QBR of 139.4. Go figure.

-Ed-

BicketyBamBicketyBamforum_veteran
Nov 30, 2010, 07:35 PM

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

The jets December schedule is BRUTAL

@ Pats
MIAMI
@Steelers
@ Bears
BUFFALO (Jan 2)

Not only are three of these games against division leaders, but they are all outdoors, in the cold weather. Last time I checked, Mark Sanchez don't play so good in the cold. Ladanian Tomlinson is no spring chicken. Those old-man hammies tend to get sore in the cold weather.

We all remember 2008 jets. Sitting pretty at 8-3, coming off a big win at the Titans. Everybody was talking about how the jets were the best team in the league. They proceeded to win only one more game, finishing 9-7.

History will repeat itself.


Ok - what am I missing. What does the 2008 team have to do with what the Jets are going to do this year? Different coaching staff, different QB, different RB's, different #1 and #3 WR's, different secondary except for Revis (who was a rookie)...I mean come on. What that team did has no bearing on what this team will do.

If anything, I would look at last year where the Jets were 4-1 in Dec/Jan with the same coaches and more of the same players. But that doesn't fit the December choke profile, so I guess we will take a pass :D. BTW, what was Miami's Dec/Nov record last year?

-Ed-

NJFINSFAN1NJFINSFAN1luxury_box
Nov 30, 2010, 08:05 PM

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

LMAO! Poor Jests fans.

Can you guys never get anything right?

The Oct. 2009 game was the first game Sanchez ever played where the temp was under 55 degrees. The game time temperature for that game was 42F with a wind chill of 30F.

Here is a quote:

It was body-numbing for the fans who sat through it at the frigid Meadowlands and mind-numbing to comprehend. The Jets rushed for 318 yards, including a franchise-record 210 by Thomas Jones (71-yard touchdown run), but they committed six turnovers and blew a 13-3 lead to lose their third straight game. The horror show ended on Rian Lindell's 47-yard field goal with 2:44 left in OT.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/10/18/2009-10-18_loss_to_bills_a_kick_in_the_pants_for_jets.html

So if the NEW YORK DAILY NEWS calls the temperature "frigid" it must have been pretty cold.

So, thanks for proving me right. In Sanchez's 3 cold weather games he has thrown 8 INT's with 1 TD and is 1-2.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!


Not to back a Jet fan, but 42 degrees with a windchill of 30 is pretty dam comfy in NJ in the winter. I would by no means call it frigid, maybe chilly.

MarinePhinFanMarinePhinFanNew Member
Nov 30, 2010, 08:30 PM

"BicketyBam wrote:

I guess compared to Miami weather, 42 degrees is arctic cold. We'll just throw out the fact that it was his 6th game as a pro. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it. It was the 42 degree temperature. I'm just not sure how to explain the playoff game in Cincinnati....21 degrees with a windchill of 9....yet by some miracle he was able to go 12/15 for 182 1/0 for a QBR of 139.4. Go figure.


Hey, it was the NY Daily News that called the day "frigid", take it up with them.

As for all the other excuses, hey, you can only go by what he's done. And so far in cold weather he has 1 TD, 8 INT's and is 1-2.

People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them. ----George Bernard Shaw

MarinePhinFanMarinePhinFanNew Member
Nov 30, 2010, 08:33 PM

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

Not to back a Jet fan, but 42 degrees with a windchill of 30 is pretty dam comfy in NJ in the winter. I would by no means call it frigid, maybe chilly.

Again, the guy has played 3 games when the weather was under 55 F and he has 1 TD and 8 INT. 42 to a New Yorker may not be frigid (even if the NY Daily News says so), but to a So Cal guy, a 30 F wind chill is pretty damn cold. Besides, the original topic of Sanchez's cold weather play was brought up, a Jests fan tried to dispute it by using, for whatever reason, "40 F" measuring stick and was proven wrong.

So far at least, Sanchez has played bad in (to him) cold weather.

People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them. ----George Bernard Shaw

padre31padre31luxury_box
Nov 30, 2010, 08:34 PM

Let's take a look at the remaining schedules for AFC clubs still in the mix.

The New York Jets have the toughest road ahead of the 12 teams in play. While the Miami Dolphins have the easiest in the AFC East, it doesn't appear forgiving enough to help them break free from a crowd of marginal wild-card candidates.

The number on the left refers to how their strength of schedule rates based on their remaining opponents' ESPN.com Power Rankings number.

3. New York Jets: 33-22 (.600)

per Tim Graham.

The stage is set..:chuckle:

BicketyBamBicketyBamforum_veteran
Nov 30, 2010, 09:12 PM

"padre31 wrote:

per Tim Graham.

The stage is set..:chuckle:

It is. Jets go 2-3, only beating the easy teams left on their schedule ;)

-Ed-

padre31padre31luxury_box
Nov 30, 2010, 09:22 PM

"BicketyBam wrote:

It is. Jets go 2-3, only beating the easy teams left on their schedule ;)


Credat judea seppela non ego..;D

BicketyBamBicketyBamforum_veteran
Nov 30, 2010, 09:23 PM

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

Again, the guy has played 3 games when the weather was under 55 F and he has 1 TD and 8 INT. 42 to a New Yorker may not be frigid (even if the NY Daily News says so), but to a So Cal guy, a 30 F wind chill is pretty damn cold. Besides, the original topic of Sanchez's cold weather play was brought up, a Jests fan tried to dispute it by using, for whatever reason, "40 F" measuring stick and was proven wrong.

So far at least, Sanchez has played bad in (to him) cold weather.

Marine - Sanchez has played in 4 games THIS YEAR ALONE, when the game time temp has been below 55 degrees: Buf, Cle, Hou, Cin. He's 4-0 in those game. I don't know where you are coming up with 3 games under 55 degrees in his NFL career. Might want to check your "facts".

-Ed-

GreenMachineGreenMachineNew Member
Nov 30, 2010, 09:40 PM

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

Not to back a Jet fan, but 42 degrees with a windchill of 30 is pretty dam comfy in NJ in the winter. I would by no means call it frigid, maybe chilly.


Especially when split stats use 40 degrees as their temp cutoff for cold weather.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=12482&sYear=2009

And since Sanchez sucks according to Phins fans, it is amazing what he has done in his career vs Miami...

QB Rating of 103.3
693 yards
7 TDS
0 INTS

GreenMachineGreenMachineNew Member
Nov 30, 2010, 09:45 PM

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

Again, the guy has played 3 games when the weather was under 55 F and he has 1 TD and 8 INT. 42 to a New Yorker may not be frigid (even if the NY Daily News says so), but to a So Cal guy, a 30 F wind chill is pretty damn cold. Besides, the original topic of Sanchez's cold weather play was brought up, a Jests fan tried to dispute it by using, for whatever reason, "40 F" measuring stick and was proven wrong.

So far at least, Sanchez has played bad in (to him) cold weather.

Really?

40 degrees is the "measuring stick

Frigid (< 21 F)	1	 	60.2	8	16	50.0	63	63.0	3.9	0	0	 	2	2	2.0	1.0	0	 	0	0	 	0	0	 
 [B]Cold (21 - 40 F)[/B]	2	 	59.9	34	60	56.7	392	196.0	6.5	2	4	 	6	3	1.5	0.5	0	 	4	28	 	0	0	 
 Mild (41 - 60 F)	8	 	64.8	130	246	52.8	1705	213.1	6.9	10	14	 	16	89	11.1	5.6	2	 	16	108	 	4	1	 
 Warm (61 - 80 F)	7	 	71.4	104	193	53.9	1152	164.6	6.0	6	5	 	11	16	2.3	1.5	2	 	12	103	 	4	1	 
 Hot (> 80 F)	3	 	112.2	48	82	58.5	648	216.0	7.9	7	0	 	7	7	2.3	1.0	0	 	4	21	 	0	0	

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9269/splits;_ylt=Amb3TtHwMArOR9WR7C4K43n.uLYF?year=career

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=12482

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/mark-sanchez/splits/638259

padre31padre31luxury_box
Nov 30, 2010, 09:50 PM

"GreenMachine wrote:

Especially when split stats use 40 degrees as their temp cutoff for cold weather.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=12482&sYear=2009

And since Sanchez sucks according to Phins fans, it is amazing what he has done in his career vs Miami...

QB Rating of 103.3
693 yards
7 TDS
0 INTS


1-2

MarinePhinFanMarinePhinFanNew Member
Dec 1, 2010, 08:07 AM

"BicketyBam wrote:

Marine - Sanchez has played in 4 games THIS YEAR ALONE, when the game time temp has been below 55 degrees: Buf, Cle, Hou, Cin. He's 4-0 in those game. I don't know where you are coming up with 3 games under 55 degrees in his NFL career. Might want to check your "facts".


You're right, I meant below 42 degrees.

In those "cold" games, at least "cold" according to yahoo sports, the end all be all of deciding what's cold in the NFL, he's 1-2 with 8 INT's and 1 TD.

People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them. ----George Bernard Shaw

MarinePhinFanMarinePhinFanNew Member
Dec 1, 2010, 08:08 AM

"GreenMachine wrote:

Really?

40 degrees is the "measuring stick

Frigid (< 21 F) 1 60.2 8 16 50.0 63 63.0 3.9 0 0 2 2 2.0 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 
[B]Cold (21 - 40 F)[/B] 2 59.9 34 60 56.7 392 196.0 6.5 2 4 6 3 1.5 0.5 0 4 28 0 0 
Mild (41 - 60 F) 8 64.8 130 246 52.8 1705 213.1 6.9 10 14 16 89 11.1 5.6 2 16 108 4 1 
Warm (61 - 80 F) 7 71.4 104 193 53.9 1152 164.6 6.0 6 5 11 16 2.3 1.5 2 12 103 4 1 
Hot (> 80 F) 3 112.2 48 82 58.5 648 216.0 7.9 7 0 7 7 2.3 1.0 0 4 21 0 0 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9269/splits;_ylt=Amb3TtHwMArOR9WR7C4K43n.uLYF?year=career

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=12482

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/mark-sanchez/splits/638259


Does that include wind chill? Because any weather man worth their salt knows that wind chill is what really matters.

BWWHAHAHAHA!!

People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them. ----George Bernard Shaw

MarinePhinFanMarinePhinFanNew Member
Dec 1, 2010, 08:24 AM

"padre31 wrote:

1-2


Not only that, he's a typical lying Jests fan.

His REAL stats are:

693 yds
6 TD's
0 INT's
53% comp rating

For comparison, let's see how well Henne has done:

718yds
5TD's
1 INT
64% comp rating

People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them. ----George Bernard Shaw

GARDENHEADGARDENHEADsubscriber
Dec 1, 2010, 09:23 AM

I can't believe the jets fans are still making excuses for Sanchez. This time, they're trying to debate the definition of "cold".

This thread will be revisited.

Tanking is like taking a Greyhound bus cross-country. Sure, it may eventually get you where you want to go, but it’s messy and unpleasant and uncomfortable, it stinks, the entire time you’ll be wishing you weren’t there, and not everybody along for the ride is going to make it to the end. - Quote stolen from Deadspin

BicketyBamBicketyBamforum_veteran
Dec 1, 2010, 09:30 AM

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

I can't believe the jets fans are still making excuses for Sanchez. This time, they're trying to debate the definition of "cold".

This thread will be revisited.


I debated the stupidity of your original post and documented the error in Marine's. Reading is fundamental.

sent from my EVO 4G

-Ed-

padre31padre31luxury_box
Dec 1, 2010, 09:32 AM

"BicketyBam wrote:

I debated the stupidity of your original post and documented the error in Marine's. Reading in fundamental.

sent from my EVO 4G


So is grammar...lol!

J/K man.

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