jets Get Killed in the NYTimes Today

here is a follow up from PFT. mods forgive me, but the whole damn thing is just so wonderful.

FAVRE FLIRTATION FURTHER PROOF OF JETS DESPERATION?
Posted by Mike Florio on July 27, 2008, 3:52 p.m.
We’ve believed that the Jets’ entire approach to the 2008 offseason was driven by desperation. Caught between the Pats in their own division and the Giants in their own city, the Jets spent like drunken pilots in an effort to improve the team.

They apparently though they were taking a page from the Pats’ 2007 offseason, during which the system of building through the draft was supplemented by the pursuit of veterans like Adalius Thomas and Wes Welker and Randy Moss and Donte’ Stallworth.

Still, the Patriots were far more methodical a year ago; the Jets essentially busted open the owner’s safe and started handing out rolls of cash once the clock struck 12 on the first day of free agency.

Harvey Araton of the New York Times also perceives desperation — and he thinks that the recent reports linking quarterback Brett Favre to the Jets is further proof of it.

“long with the Jets’ receiving permission from the Packers to speak with Favre,” Araton writes, “comes the smell of desperation from their newly opened training camp, an S O S, the abbreviation for Save Our Season.”

Amen.

Araton also thinks that this move to make the Jets a lot better quickly traces to last year’s Spygate shenanigans, when Jets coach Eric Mangini ratted out the Pats based on things about which Mangini knew while working in New England and remained silent until after he parlayed such tactics into a head-coaching job of his own.

“You wonder how Mangini and Tannenbaum are viewed around the after setting off the saga known as Spygate last season, outing Belichick for his secret taping practices in violation of league rules. Did they score for delivering Belichick his comeuppance, or are they scorned for breaking an honor code?

“Mangini, in particular, would seem to be at risk of being cast as a hypocrite and an ingrate, given that he raised his coaching profile in the system he subsequently turned against and brought dishonor.”

Ouch.

But Aranton is right. More than a few league insiders have speculated that Mangini’s current NFL job will be his last one, and that to continue coaching after his tenure with the Jets ends, he’ll have to take a job in the college ranks.

Whether the stink of Mangini’s antics attaches to Tannenbaum remains to be seen. If it does, Tannenbaum’s only option might be to become an agent.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

They apparently thought they were taking a page from the Pats’ 2007 offseason, during which the system of building through the draft was supplemented by the pursuit of veterans like Adalius Thomas and Wes Welker and Randy Moss and Donte’ Stallworth.

Only difference, the Pats were coming off an AFC Championship loss. The Jets...well they're pretty damn far away from that, but went on the irresponsible spending spree regardless.

"Sethdaddy8 wrote:

here is a follow up from PFT. mods forgive me, but the whole damn thing is just so wonderful.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

I saw that and wanted to post it. I think its great lol.

EDIT: I'm not trying to start an argument or anything but I wonder if Mangini just follows everything Bellicheck does and then does the same.

"alen1 wrote:

I saw that and wanted to post it. I think its great lol.

EDIT: I'm not trying to start an argument or anything but I wonder if Mangini just follows everything Bellicheck does and then does the same.

you can ask him when he's coaching JUCO in 2 years.:lol:

And when the team has a winning record this season all these "journalist experts" will be sitting on their hands only to remove their foots from their mouths and talk up about the team.

Yes, the Jets are "desperate" to bring in Faneca, Pace & Jenkins and trade away Vilma. Sure. What these idiots fair to write in their oh so great articles is that Woody Johnson, the Jets owner, has said that Eric & Mike's jobs are safe through AT LEAST 2009. That means that they have two years to get a winning team on the field and in todays NFL, thats not a hard thing to do, seeing as Parcells should have Miami winning by 2010 at the latest.

i think you'll be the one with your foot in your mouth

"Sethdaddy8 wrote:

Only difference, the Pats were coming off an AFC Championship loss. The Jets...well they're pretty damn far away from that, but went on the irresponsible spending spree regardless.

How so? The Jets aquired three current/former Pro Bowl performers and an up and coming Outside Linebacker. How are the Jets being irresponsible for trying to upgrade through both Free Agency and the Draft?

"Sethdaddy8 wrote:

you can ask him when he's coaching JUCO in 2 years.:lol:

You're right. I'd much rather have Bill's little puppet coaching my team. :up:

"124 wrote:

How so? The Jets aquired three current/former Pro Bowl performers and an up and coming Outside Linebacker. How are the Jets being irresponsible for trying to upgrade through both Free Agency and the Draft?

this s from sportsyenta.com and it basically says it all.

They signed Alan Faneca to a five year, $40 million contract, making him the highest-paid offensive lineman on the planet.
They also signed offensive lineman Damien Woody to a five year, $25 million contract to play offensive tackle. Damien Woody has only played five career games at tackle, and hadn't played the position since high school before last season. He was also labeled a huge disappointment for most of his time in Detroit. Right up until his contact year oddly enough.
They gave a nobody named Calvin Pace a six-year $42 million contract. Because he's a combination DE/LB and they've recently switched to the 3-4 defense. That's right, they gave a guy with 6.5 sacks in five seasons $42 million.
They traded for the oft-injured, 350 lb Kris Jenkins to shore up the defensive line.
They got rid of pro-bowl linebacker Jonathan Vilma and attempted to trade Dewayne Robertson before the trade was nixed because of Robertson's bad knee. In case you don't remember, they made Robertson the No. 4 overall pick in the 2oo3 draft and then took Vilma at the No. 12 pick in 2004.

you guys made a 32 year old the highest paid lineman...a guard mind you...in the NFL. why when you had pete kendall? that will prove to be a costly blunder. and the rest speaks for itself.

you know how people make fun of the Redskins, for crazy trades, no cap consciousness, and over spending for old vets?

Well this off-season by your 4-12 franchise eclipsed all of their bone headed, old star F'er antics.

but you're all too naive to see it.

From Boozer76 of JetNation. I just liked his way of evaluating the article. Bold parts are from the article.

Wow, this guy is so ignorant it's beyond belief. Let's take it piece by piece to show just how stupid he really is:

We’ve believed that the Jets’ entire approach to the 2008 offseason was driven by desperation. Caught between the Pats in their own division and the Giants in their own city, the Jets spent like drunken pilots in an effort to improve the team.

We?? Who's we?? Any common sense Jets fan can see from a mile away that the desperation has nothing to do with the Pats and Giants, but rather the impending PSL's they need to convince us to buy.

They apparently though they were taking a page from the Pats’ 2007 offseason, during which the system of building through the draft was supplemented by the pursuit of veterans like Adalius Thomas and Wes Welker and Randy Moss and Donte’ Stallworth.
Still, the Patriots were far more methodical a year ago; the Jets essentially busted open the owner’s safe and started handing out rolls of cash once the clock struck 12 on the first day of free agency.

Adalius Thomas was last year's Calvin Pace. He was the best FA LB available in a very weak FA LB class. Hell, Thomas was the 3rd best LB on his former team. They also noted they had a glaring deficiency at WR and filled it with WR's. We had glaring holes on OL and DL and filled it with the best available players. Did we overpay?? Maybe. But make no mistake the Pats overpaid AT THE TIME for Thomas, and severely so for Welker (a 2nd round pick for him). By next year if these players play as well as we hope it will hardly be overpaying.

Harvey Araton of the New York Times also perceives desperation — and he thinks that the recent reports linking quarterback Brett Favre to the Jets is further proof of it.

“long with the Jets’ receiving permission from the Packers to speak with Favre,” Araton writes, “comes the smell of desperation from their newly opened training camp, an S O S, the abbreviation for Save Our Season.”

How is talking to another team about the availability of a HOF QB desperation when your veteran QB has the weakest arm in the league (possibly the history of NFL football), and your backup has only started 9 games. I call it due dilligence. They would be idiots to not at least inquire the availability and price. And who the frack is Harvey Araton??

“You wonder how Mangini and Tannenbaum are viewed around the after setting off the saga known as Spygate last season, outing Belichick for his secret taping practices in violation of league rules. Did they score for delivering Belichick his comeuppance, or are they scorned for breaking an honor code?

“Mangini, in particular, would seem to be at risk of being cast as a hypocrite and an ingrate, given that he raised his coaching profile in the system he subsequently turned against and brought dishonor.”
Ouch.

But Aranton is right. More than a few league insiders have speculated that Mangini’s current NFL job will be his last one, and that to continue coaching after his tenure with the Jets ends, he’ll have to take a job in the college ranks.Whether the stink of Mangini’s antics attaches to Tannenbaum remains to be seen. If it does, Tannenbaum’s only option might be to become an agent.


Ahh, again with the ignorant stupidity and this Anranton idiot. First of all, given the huge influx of FA's that this momo just criticized us for signing a few paragraphs back had no issues with it, I don't think it's a big deal. Second of all, it has been repeatedly reported as fact that Mangini had nothing to do with Belly being caught. Jets security had been trying to catch Matt Walsh for years during the Herm era. It was the same staff who eventually caught him with Mangini at the helm. Do you think there is an unwritten code where other teams say "Sure Bellidick, go ahead and tape my signals. No problm at all, we love ya man!!". If Mangini wins games and compiles a solid resume on the field, he will get a job in the NFL wherever he wants. Same goes for Tannenbaum.

And anyway, did you realize this guy's entire story was one quoting some dipsh&t Harvey wallbanger Aranton?? Has journalism gotten so pathetic that they now write columns about each other's columns??

BTW, Nobody here reads the NY Times when they want Sports. Thats a great paper for everything except freakin' Sports. This article is a crystal clear examination of why.

"124 wrote:

BTW, Nobody here reads the NY Times when they want Sports. Thats a great paper for everything except freakin' Sports. This article is a crystal clear examination of why.

I lived in New York for 5 years. Their sports section may be deficient in stats, but their sportswriters are the best I've ever encountered.

Its a total cop-out to say, "who cares what they NYTimes says, their sportswriters suck."

honestly you would have to over-pay to get any free agent now-a-days (good ones that is).....its the price of the market....

i dont see it as desperation, i see it as doing what you need to do in todays day-and-age of the nfl to get better.....

I diagree with the whole "Adalius Thomas was last year's Calvin Pace". Thomas was a 2-Time Pro-Bowler before hitting the FA market. What has Pace done?

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

I diagree with the whole "Adalius Thomas was last year's Calvin Pace". Thomas was a 2-Time Pro-Bowler before hitting the FA market. What has Pace done?

very good point

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

I diagree with the whole "Adalius Thomas was last year's Calvin Pace". Thomas was a 2-Time Pro-Bowler before hitting the FA market. What has Pace done?

Thomas was made better because of the players around him. He didn't exactly turn too many heads in New England last season. Just another Rosevelt Colvin situation, who was made better in Chicago due to the players around him. Sure they're good, but they're nothing special.

you build through the draft.

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME...

1. Ray Lewis
2. Bart Scott
3. Terrell Suggs
4. Adalius Thomas

Thomas was made better because of those around him. He isn't worth what New England paid him (but is anyone nowadays worth what they get on the Free Agent market? Mostly, no). He is over-rated. I'm glad the Jets didn't get him.

"124 wrote:

1. Ray Lewis
2. Bart Scott
3. Terrell Suggs
4. Adalius Thomas

Thomas was made better because of those around him. He isn't worth what New England paid him (but is anyone nowadays worth what they get on the Free Agent market? Mostly, no). He is over-rated. I'm glad the Jets didn't get him.

if adalius thomas is overrated, what do you call pace?

"MelbournePhin wrote:

if adalius thomas is overrated, what do you call pace?

An unkown. We'll see how he fairs with worthy NFL starting Linebackers (he only had one in Arizona with Dansby) next to him.

"sethdaddy8 wrote:

you build through the draft.

You play to win the game...

playoffs!??!?!?!??!