Jets Thread

Heck of a play by Jeudy.

How does Gase still have a job?

"Cashvillesent wrote:

How does Gase still have a job?

From what everyone is saying he won't much longer and if he loses tonight it may happen tomorrow.

"Tin Indian wrote:

From what everyone is saying he won't much longer and if he loses tonight it may happen tomorrow.

reports from the NY media are that a decision has been to NOT fire Gase this season, no matter what happens.
Thinking is that disrupting the continuity will badly affect Darnold.

Me. I personally feel bad for Darnold, but apart from that this is the best news since the Giants beat the 16-0 Patsies in the SB.

"Pauly wrote:

reports from the NY media are that a decision has been to NOT fire Gase this season, no matter what happens.
Thinking is that disrupting the continuity will badly affect Darnold.

Me. I personally feel bad for Darnold, but apart from that this is the best news since the Giants beat the 16-0 Patsies in the SB.

Heard that too. But last night I saw a poorly coached team. I saw the most undisciplined team perhaps that I have ever seen. 6 personal fouls!? How can that happen?

He is done. Sometime today it's over.

"Cashvillesent wrote:

Darnold is trash.

He is with Gase but could have success with better coaching.Hate to use the T word,but that guy in Tennessee is doing mo' better now.

All what I can say is that Gase has continued the standard he set at the Dolphins
1) Atrocious OL play. People who have played college OL have commented this is directly attributable to the low impact practices he runs.
2) Bad discipline across the team. From penalties to poor routes to missing blocking assignments. Standards are not being enforced. Doesn’t matter what you say about discipline, you have to enforce it.
3) Really horrible game planning. He seems to think his schemes are so genius no one else has the capacity to pick up his tendencies.
4) An unwillingness to change. For one example: No matter how often WR screens are demonstrated to be garbage he calls the continuously.
5) He plays favorites in the locker room, which sooner or later causes the locker room to tune him out.
6) He throws players under the bus in news conferences “We have to execute better” never “I need to adjust our schemes”.

At this point I think Joe Philbin is a superior coach to Gase. Philbin had his problems, but he left behind a team that was just about competent if uninspiring. After Gase the Dolphins were a smoking ruin, and with the Jets he’s bouncing the rubble.

If the Jets are gunning for Trevor Lawrence, keeping Gase at HC makes sense.

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Some Jets fans are pushing back against calls for Gase to get fired. They want him to go 0-16, have that on his coaching record so he can never get another NFL job.

Stolen from a Jets forum following their loss to Denver.
BTW fun stat only 3 times in the past 10 years has a team +3 in turnovers lost. all 3 are the jets. this was number 3.

https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/12/adam-gase-considering-giving-up-role-jets-play-caller/

"Galant wrote:

Gase confirms that he will remain the play caller on offense, as @KimJonesSports reported. Says he and the staff spoke about it and decided this is the best way to go. #Jets

— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) October 14, 2020

Gase: I'M THE PLAYCALLER! ME! ME! ME! ME!

Staff: Whatever

That is how I imagine it going.

Is there any chance that the Jets FO is actually convinced that Gase is the right guy? They made him the GM as well as the HC, are they now allowing him to tear down the roster (not worrying about this year) and letting him have at least one year where he can make all the moves, the picks, trades, etc. ?

Replying to @6774 from a quote he put in the Game Day thread here:

"From PFT:

Jets head coach Adam Gase opened the week musing about the possibility that he would give up his role as the offensive playcaller after an 0-5 start to the season. Gase ultimately didn’t go that route. He said on Wednesday that he will remain in the role after conversations with members of the coaching staff about the problems on offense.

One might wonder if assistant coaches might tell their boss what they think he wants to hear, but offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains said on Thursday that isn’t the case. Loggains said “the staff would have no problem telling the boss” that his play calls were an issue and that he believes the issue lies elsewhere.

“Our issues on offense are bigger than playcalling right now. It comes down to execution,” Loggains said, via Zach Braziller of the New York Post. “It comes down to making sure your guys are in the right spots. Whoever calls the plays isn’t converting on third-and-1, isn’t converting the fourth-and-1 last week in the game. Those are things that come down to details.”"


Let's assume that's true and that Gase's offense doesn't work because players aren't executing. The only sane question to ask next is 'why'.
Fault A - The players are poor and can't execute.
Fault B - The players can do it but aren't doing it.
B.1 They lack motivation.
B.2 The're disobedient and just want to 'freelance'.
B.3 There's a culture of poor discipline.
Fault C - The offense is such that it simply won't ever work because it's too 'fragile' - it's too easy for someone to do something wrong.
Fault D - Gase and/or his coaches don't know how to teach the offense to the players.

There are probably others but those seem like the most obvious possible problems, at least to start with.

Fault A - Less likely since the problem has followed Gase away from Miami and into New York.
Fault D - Possibly, but the odds on none of them getting it seems slim.

I'm going for a combination of B and C.
Gase's offense works in theory, in his head, but won't translate to the field for whatever reason, and Gase doesn't lead his players well. He may simply expect them to operate like machines, doing their job perfectly, no mistakes, same consistency. Perhaps professionals should be like that, but they're all young men, human beings. Leadership can make a huge difference.

"Galant wrote:

Is there any chance that the Jets FO is actually convinced that Gase is the right guy? They made him the GM as well as the HC, are they now allowing him to tear down the roster (not worrying about this year) and letting him have at least one year where he can make all the moves, the picks, trades, etc. ?

Tank all out in progress.