JMO: How to Build This Team for Super Bowl Contention

At least I compared him to Mario Manningham.

 

For whatever reason, Hartline doesn't work the middle very often. Least from what I've seen. Bess gets a number of catches there but in general BH sticks to the sidelines. Speed wise, Hartline might be a little faster than Welker, but it's probably close. BH is also more athletic. Helps when you're taller too.

 

White WR's usually aren't very fast. Who else you gonna compare him to, Desean Jackson

FWIW I think Manningham is a pretty good comparison CK made.

 

It is funny how that works out.

 

How about Hines Ward? Their combine results were practically identical with Hartline being 2 inches taller.

Plus, there are slow black receivers. Being black doesn't mean you are fast.

 

If he were that dangerous, teams would match up. Smith covered Fitz the whole game in man.

 

Plenty of non-caucasion WRs that run 4.58 40s.

 

I was kidding. I did not and would not compare Hartline to Welker, or any other white WR for that matter.

I've seen people compare him to Jordy Nelson, but I think there are better comparisons out there.

 

That depends on the defense and the defensive scheme.

 

No, Smith did not cover Fitzgerald when he went inside.

 

You sure? Was it man?

 

Both guys had great combines, but I think Hartline's was better. They both were very impressive with the shuttle and cone drills. Ward had a broad jump of 96" and vertical of 30.5". Hartline had a broad of 120" and vert of 34.5".

Hartline's combine was very, very good.

 

IMO comparing him to Hines Ward is even further off than Wes Welker.

 

I'm like 90% sure. Could be wrong. Smith should never play inside though. He doesn't have the quickness.

 

Didn't mean to spur a racial debate

Just wondering what's preventing Hartline from catching more balls in traffic down the middle.

The reason for the comparison was the amount of balls thrown his way.. I think he had 12 catches and 19 targets yesterday and 9 catches 13 targets against the Raiders.

 

It probably is. I think Ward is a lot stronger. Hartline is more agile though.

 

I'm shocked nobody has mentioned Wayne Chrebet!

 

It's funny but if Hartline had any strength on his frame whatsoever then the stereotypical token comparison to Jordy Nelson would actually be relevant.

It's hard to compare Brian Hartline to anybody because he's a contradictory player. He's very much built for speed and finesse, yet he's not fast. Maybe Brandon Lloyd is a good comparison.

 

And a thousand times nastier.

 

Lloyd is a decent comparison. Personally I see Isaac Bruce.

 

I think Hartline is much more talented than people give him credit for. He isn't an elite talent, however he is a pretty good talent.

 

Not really a fan of this comparison. Hines Ward was a much more physical receiver. I can't recall BH ever breaking tackles en route to a score. He's not that kind of player.

 

In ability to get open and catch the ball, I think it is closer than Wes Welker and Ed McCaffery .

 

Of the three, McCaffery is probably the best comparison.

Ward was known for going across the middle. He'll have the brain damage to prove it.

 

I don't really think so. Ed McCaffery used his size more to get open

 

Hartline's not exactly tiny at 6'2". He's used his size quite a bit to get open. He may not be as big as Easy Ed was, but he's great at getting position. He's the anti-Naanee in this regard.

 

There is no real meaningful distinction between 30 TDs and 28. Peyton Manning had 33 TDs and a 6.9 YPA in 2010.


The QB and the system play a big role in how many TDs a WR will get. Rookie QBs rarely put up big TD numbers. And even whent hey put up good TD numbers, it is rare that a lot of them are to WRs. Cam Newton had a historic rookie year last year, but he had only 21 passing TDs and only 11 of those went to WRs. Dalton had 20 and only 14 went to WRs. Roethlisberger had 12 TDs to WRs as a rookie. Matt Ryan had 10 to WRs as a rookie. PManning had 15 to Wrs as a rookie and that may well be the most ever.

 

I think all receivers in the NFL that have caught the ball and not fumbed are anti-Naanee's

 

TD's were there yesterday. Hartline should've had at least two (he was caught fro behind on one).

He doesn't have the ability to break tackles or separate with speed. That's going to hinder his TD production.

 

True. I just meant in terms of getting position. You won't see a receiver get around him to make a pick. He's got great control.

 

I think Isaac Bruce is a pretty good comparison, but Fred Biletnikoff is the closest in my mind (and not just because he's white). Rod Smith also comes to mind.

 

He separates just fine. There are a lot of WRs who score TDs without being big-time tackle breakers. Of course, they generally do it with quality, veteran QBs who are very efficient in the red zone.

 

The guys who aren't big time tackle breakers usually do it with speed though. Some guys have both qualities. We used to have one here in Miami.

 

And in Miami he averaged 4.5 touchdowns a year.

 

There are all types. Mark Clayton didn't have great speed and wasn't a big tackle breaker, but he scored a lot of TDs. Same with Andre Rison. Welker has had some good TD years. Etc.

Is the one who we used to have here in Miami Brandon Marshall? The guy who averaged 4.5 TDs per season in 2 years here?

There may be no better combination of speed and tackle breaking ability in a WR than Andre Johnson (except maybe CJ). He's averaged less than 6 Tds per season and has never had double-digit TDs.

 

That surprises me