1. catch the ball
2. know where the marks are on the field
3. make plays when you have an opportunity to make plays

 

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Good. Bout time.

Make the D wonder not predict the guy i like this.

 

Matt Moore is just towing the company line.

Unless he truly believes that we have "5 guys that are the guy," then he needs mental evaluation.

 

who is to say that we dont have 5 guys that are the guy? its a whole new system where the receivers might flourish IE wes welker

 

I don't doubt that Hartline or Bess could really flourish in this system.
But by definition you can't have 5 guys that are "the guy." Or else you just have 5 guys.

We have very mediocre WRs, likely top 3 worst in the league regardless of system.

And Wes Welker is a great WR. He puts up elite numbers due to Brady/Belichick, but still much better than any on our roster.

 

Disagree on Welker. I'll take Bess over Welker any day of the week. I don't consider Welker to be a "great" receiver. In most systems he is lucky to be a #2 guy.

 

And in what system do you think Bess is a #2?

 

IMO, if the Pats replaced Welker with Julian Edelman, he'd probably have very good stats as their starting slot receiver. Welker is a very good WR, who puts up great numbers due to his role in their system. If Bess were in Welker's spot now with the Pats, I'll be he'd have 100 catches a season too.

 

Yeah but would Bess have dropped the ball for drive killing play to end the super Bowl and seal the Pats defeat?

Don't answer that cause I don't really care. I just like pointing out the Pats lost another one.

 

What I can't stand about this logic is that quite literally you can apply it to any team, any where, any time about any players. It can be a team with Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Floyd and you can say about them, well you never know LaRon Byrd may be the best player of all of them. You can be the Cleveland Browns with Greg Little, Mohamed Massaquoi and Josh Cribbs, and you can say hey by this time next year we might be talking about Travis Benjamin as the next Percy Harvin and Greg Little as the next Hakeem Nicks.

It's the very definition of WEAK logic. And I don't like weak logic.

The only interesting part of the article is the last part which I already brought up, which are the things Joe Philbin is looking for in a wide receiver:

1. Get off the press and separate in man coverage
2. Make plays on the deep vertical
3. Consistently catch the football

The middle one is the one I brought up that was very interesting to me because it's a little bit of a break from Mike Sherman's offense at Texas A&M, and shows that Joe Philbin is indeed bringing along some of the values and elements he treasured in the Green Bay offense. For a west coast offense I thought the vertical routes were an awful big portion of Green Bay's passing game. They throw a lot of fades to Greg Jennings, James Jones and Jordy Nelson, and they expect those guys to create that last second separation by tracking the ball and getting it on the outside shoulder, catching it.

Can Rishard Matthews and B.J. Cunningham do this consistently? I'm not sure. Can Jeff Fuller? I'm not sure. I think Moye stands a decent chance, among the rookies. Among the veterans, the only one that stands a good chance in my eyes is Brian Hartline.

 

he puts up great numbers due to the system he is in.

 

I know its only a small part of being a good reciever but we need improvement in this.

 

Such a thing of beauty.

 

That is your best post ever.

 

Green Bay threw an awful lot of back shoulder type throws, be it up the seam or on the perimeter. That catch that Welker missed is exactly the kind of throw that Miami is going to need their receivers to be able to haul in regularly. That and if we're executing a lot of rollouts then we need guys that can toe tap the sidelines, which I think was a specialty of Rishard Matthews'.

 

Obviously the Patriots and Belichick aren't as down on Welker as you are, because they are going to be paying him nearly ten million dollars this season. He may have dropped this pass, but the fact is that he is far better than any of the receivers now on the Dolphins. The fact that you seem to blame Welker dropping this pass for the reason the Patriots lost the Super Bowl, shows how little you really know about the game of football.

 

lol

 

But is WW 'better than any on our roster' because of the system ?? That's the point that MMoore and Philbin were making. I love Donald Driver and Jennings, but neither are "#1" WRs in Sparano's offense. We likely have one of the worse WR corps but it's mostly because of inexperience...we might think differently come mid season...

 

Step back from the ledge homeboy. He's just basking in the glory that is NE losing a superbowl. Don't be so surius.

 

lol The Welker hate is too strong. Lucky to be a #2 on another team? Come on, man.

Egnew is still the most interesting piece of this puzzle, imo. Biggest mismatch out there assuming Miller or Bush isn't out-wide.

 

I have Jennings and Nelson as #1's.