Jonathan Martin sucks.....that is, according to PFF

A rookie tackle playing poorly and improving is very far from rare.

Martin just a kid still and going to end up being a very good 0-lineman. He needs to get stronger, but has quick feet and long arms. Also very smart player out of Stanford. Get him in the weight room and lock the door behind him. He will end up being fine and a great building block to our line with Pouncey.

He definitely sucked this year. I don't think there is any way around that. Hopefully he improves significantly this offseason.

"Disgustipate wrote:

A rookie tackle playing poorly and improving is very far from rare.

obviously, but taking an offensive lineman with your 2nd pick and having him perform at this level is nothing short of extremely disappointing.

"Disgustipate wrote:

A rookie tackle playing poorly and improving is very far from rare.

"Poorly" is being generous. We're talking 67 out of 76!!!!!!!!!!! Remember last year when Football Outsiders named Daniel Thomas one of the worst RBs in the league. You know, they actually used stats to back up their conclusion and fools actually defended Daniel Thomas??? Jonathan Martin very well may turn out to be an excellent T in the NFL. But these stats are pretty damning.

Martin going to be just fine, the kid got all the tools and work ethic to be a very good player in the NFL.

"LBsFinest wrote:

obviously, but taking an offensive lineman with your 2nd pick and having him perform at this level is nothing short of extremely disappointing.

The "obviously" and what you followed it with are contradictory.

"Perfectville_USA wrote:

Martin going to be just fine, the kid got all the tools and work ethic to be a very good player in the NFL.

yea, you said that already.

"Perfectville_USA wrote:

Martin going to be just fine, the kid got all the tools and work ethic to be a very good player in the NFL.

Well, there you go! Problem solved!

Bull****.

That simple, watched every game, Martin was far superior to Long or Colombo

PFF has jumped the shark, or to put it better, do believe what you see or what they tell you?

"LBsFinest wrote:

obviously, but taking an offensive lineman with your 2nd pick and having him perform at this level is nothing short of extremely disappointing.

Any player taken in any round that doesnt play well is disappointing. Judging the long term value (which I am not sure you are doing) of a draft pick after one season is moronic. I mean really how many people on this group were disappointed with Soliai?

"padre31 wrote:

Bull****.

That simple, watched every game, Martin was far superior to Long or Colombo

PFF has jumped the shark, or to put it better, do believe what you see or what they tell you?

I thought he was mediocre, but as bad as Colombo? Damn.

"Disgustipate wrote:

The "obviously" and what you followed it with are contradictory.

lol what? how? i agree he'll probably get better, considering he was a rookie and the fact that he can't possibly get any worse. but he will have to improve SIGNIFICANTLY just to be a suitable left tackle, i don't know if he has it in him to improve by that much.

a lot of people are content with letting Long walk and just plugging Martin in on the left side but that is a HUGE gamble to me, i don't think i want this kid protecting Tannehill's blindside.

"padre31 wrote:

Bull****.

That simple, watched every game, Martin was far superior to Long or Colombo

PFF has jumped the shark, or to put it better, do believe what you see or what they tell you?

You remind me of Karl Rove on election night! Who cares about data?

Yes, I believe PFF because they actually break down every play and watch the specific player when doing their grading. I can't watch everything in the bar I'm at.

So how does he rate compared to all the other rookie tackles? That's obviously more appropriate than trying to make him look bad by comparing him to more experienced players.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

You remind me of Karl Rove on election night! Who cares about data?

Yes, I believe PFF because they actually break down every play and watch the specific player when doing their grading. I can't watch everything in the bar I'm at.

I don't, put it this way, you watched Colombo and Long, you tell me?

LBsFinest: can you post the full article, love to see how Jake Long and other's ranked also.

"padre31 wrote:

Bull****.

That simple, watched every game, Martin was far superior to Long or Colombo

PFF has jumped the shark, or to put it better, do believe what you see or what they tell you?

I think your getting confused with Doug Martin,because Jon Martin was a really bad tackle this year.Id take Jake Long any day off the week over him.

"Serpico Jones wrote:

I thought he was mediocre, but as bad as Colombo? Damn.

Exactly, he did not do great at LT vs NE, and at RT to begin the yr he wasn't stellar.

However he did come around during the season, this is why I'm not buying what PFF is selling, not after watching every single snap of every game.

Colombo was just dreadful, as in Peppers just destroyed him, that never happened to Martin.

"padre31 wrote:

I don't, put it this way, you watched Colombo and Long, you tell me?

According to my eyeballs, he was better than 2011 Colombo, but I thought the 2012 Jake Long was better.

"smhemi wrote:

I think your getting confused with Doug Martin,because Jon Martin was a really bad tackle this year.Id take Jake Long any day off the week over him.

Your choice.

For me, Long looked bad, lacked confidence, immobile, not the same player I'd watched 08-10

"LBsFinest wrote:

yea, you said that already.

I believe it was worth repeating. Martin showed some signs of being a good LT after he took over for Long. I thought he actually played well until the Pats game. Does he have things to work on? Yes, he does.. however, what Martin lacks is not physical skills what he lacks can be gained through working out and getting stronger. If he doesnt hit the weight room he will be what he is, not very good. He does, he is going to be a very good LT

"padre31 wrote:

I don't, put it this way, you watched Colombo and Long, you tell me?

Long this year? I dont think there was a bit of difference between the two

"padre31 wrote:

Exactly, he did not do great at LT vs NE, and at RT to begin the yr he wasn't stellar.

However he did come around during the season, this is why I'm not buying what PFF is selling, not after watching every single snap of every game.

Colombo was just dreadful, as in Peppers just destroyed him, that never happened to Martin.

Yeah, because we are going to take a snap shot of a rookies first 4 or 5 games and pretend that is how he played all year.