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Jones Not Playing - Pulled Himself from the game

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 4, 2018.

  1. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It doesn't matter. The deadline is past. Unless you mean in the offseason of course.
     
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  2. brandon27

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    Well, apparently upon their review of things, maybe they viewed Jones as the "communication problem" back there.

    Hell, who knows what happened. Maybe it's not even performance related. Maybe they're just looking at it as lets see with Fitzpatrick can do in that role with Reshads age, and health creeping up on him, and Jones didn't like it.

    We're still missin that part of this I guess.
     
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  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Aah, okay...I wasn't sure if it passed or not. There's absolutely no way were cutting a player of that caliber so there's nothing to talk about then.
     
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  4. brandon27

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    You know, that is a good point, and the other half of this. I think I mentioned that above too, why are we not getting these guys to buy in? I think the problem here though is why is this cropping up in year 3 for Jones?

    Maybe it's simply not performance related, maybe its simply the coaches felt it a good time to experiment with Fitz at that role with Jones' age and health as of late. I mean, he's playing with a brace on his shoulder apparently every week as it is.

    If gase is telling the truth too though, that he leaves everything on that side of the ball up to Burke, then the beef here may be more on Burke, than it even is on Gase. Mind you, it ultimately is Gase's team.
     
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  5. KeyFin

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    The thing is, Jones is so elite that he's been allowed to freelance most of his career. It's never been a problem until last week when our opponents were dropping bombs on us left and right for easy scores. Of course the team asked him to dial it back and of course he took it personally.

    I think Fitz is also elite but in a completely different way- his game comes from being able to read the field and blow up plays with his intelligence. Jones is more of a freak athlete with a great motor that makes plays due to athleticism and instinct. I'm not saying Jones isn't smart....obviously he is. But Fitz is the more reliable player on a four-down basis because he doesn't guess.

    I can't imagine why we wouldn't have both on the field every single snap. That's on Burke.
     
  6. Carmen Cygni

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    I'd want to kick the coach in the dick that constantly puts me in poor spots, too. #TeamReshad
     
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  7. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Man there just seems to be a lot of this stuff happening here under Gase. Some people can write it as a positive and culture change or whatever ... but there is just too much stuff going on. This isn't positive or normal - even during a culture change. This has all the hallmarks of organizational dysfunction, bad communication, bad leadership.
     
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  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Jones made the right call in taking himself out. The defense was playing great without him.
     
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    Forget who made the joke in the game thread, but for a moment it seemed like Gase made the right call in taking himself out by sitting on the bench lol. Oh man.. problem with this my-way-or-the-highway attitude is all the responsibility for what happens is yours alone.
     
  10. phinswolverinesrockets

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    What was inaccurate? They were probowlers during their Dolphin tenure...has Tannehill? Did I miss it?

    Pouncey is now starting on the 6-2 Chargers.
    Suh is starting on the 8-1 Rams.
    Ajayi won a superbowl with Philly and is still getting carries.
    Landry is starting on the Browns. As bad as they are, he is part of the reason why their offense has produced more yards than ours...even with a rookie quarterback.
    Let Jones go. He deserves a winning situation. His great play doesn't fit our culture.
     
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  11. muskrat21

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    so is there a way to see PFF grades for jones minkah and tj pre and post self pulling?
     
  12. KeyFin

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    - Pouncey is rated the 15th best O lineman in the NFL. That's clearly not Pro Bowl levels.
    - Suh was cut over money. Everyone knows that (at least, everyone but you)
    - As I said earlier, Ajayi is out for the year. Even before he was hurt though, his carries were being limited (sound familiar?).
    - Landry is starting on the Browns....you say that like it's a massive accomplishment. His averages are way down from last season.

    Besides Suh, everyone you named is past their prime or vastly overrated. Lumping Jones in there over something you know nothing about doesn't make it any less ridiculous of a statement.
     
  13. tirty8

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    Oh, I remember this story. It is the one where Gase rides another superstar out of town. Get ready for another 4th round pick in the offseason.
     
  14. resnor

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    Who gives a flying **** about Ajayi, Landry, or Pouncey?? Suh wasnt doing what we thought he would do for our defense and was cost prohibitive.

    If Jones refused to go on the field, **** him. Stop blaming Gase for ****ty attitudes.
     
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  15. Patster1969

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    Absolutely, Pouncey wouldn't take a pay cut to help the team, Landry priced himself out of Miami, Suh wouldn't consider a pay cut to help the team and Ajayi wasn't doing what the coaches wanted him to. We all love Jones but if he is not doing what the coaches want him to & is the cause of the back end breakdowns, he can't be trusted in there, so get the player in that will help. Personally, I thought McDonald looked looked much better not playing as the deep safety with Minkah behind him - I know it was only the Jests but the D needed a good game today after the last 3 and we got one.
     
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  16. Pauly

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    Landry has 49 receptions on 94 targets for 528 yards and 2 TDs through half a season. Which us precisely why the phins weren’t prepared to pay $15million per season.

    Pouncey was let go mainly because of injury concerns.

    Suh was a salary casualty.

    You can go “my way or the high way” as the boss when you’ve established credibility. Doing so before then can make you look weak and blameshifting. Gase needs to be careful that what he does with Jones comes out with him looking like a strong leader, not a Philbin type milquetoast who can’t handle strong personalities.
     
  17. AGuyNamedAlex

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    For what it's worth no-one on the team seemed too concerned. When players are pissed you often see them go to the coaches and letting off, or making a fuss at least until they calm down.

    Wake didnt seem concerned, Gase didnt seem overly concerned, Jones didnt seem mad.... I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt until we hear otherwise.
     
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  18. Fame

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    Spot on.

    Just like Belichick doesn't know why Tom Brady was on the injury report for like 10 years.
     
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  19. Fame

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    There's one thing all of those guys have in common...they're in it for themselves. Not a single one of those guys is a "team first" guy. Besides, the pro bowl is a joke. It's a popularity contest. It doesn't mean what it used to.
     
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  20. Fame

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    I'm guessing TJ wasn't causing problems.

    As far as I'm concerned, if one of my employees stops listening to me I'm getting rid of them no matter how good they are.
     
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  21. Fame

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    This is not true.

    It is a very well established principle in business that the new boss will often fire the team that existed before he got there and bring in his own people. The reason for this is simple: most people do not handle transition well and will not be fully on board with the new direction. The NFL is no different. Dissenting opinions inside the locker room eventually turn to cancer. Can't have people trying to do their own thing or else the entire model collapses. Probably what happened the last 2-3 weeks on defense. Certainly didn't happen yesterday.
     
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  22. KeyFin

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    I completely disagree on many different levels, but you earned the "like" because it made me laugh! =)
     
  23. Rock Sexton

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    The culture is Adam Gase ..... and it's not a good one.

    This guy is a stubborn coordinator moonlighting as a head coach. He's the kind of guy you hope gets kicked in the nuts.
     
  24. Rock Sexton

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    What has gotten into you?
     
  25. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Ya that's great look when you haven't done or won anything as a head coach.
     
  26. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I mean, I call em like I see em. Despite what others here think, this dysfunctional team is still in the playoff hunt and we have to figure some things out. Our D got blown out last week, then blew the Jets out this week. People ***** about our D falling apart and then they ***** about when the coach makes changes and our D looks good again. That's all part of the long season and finding ways to win when you should probably be losing.

    What drives me nuts though, is when people take a tidbit from the media and see it as a sign of the apocalypse. Or they use it to say someone sucks, even though they only know 10% of the story. Players get disciplined all the time and they never, ever, ever like to admit that they were wrong...but true pros take it in stride and adjust. There's nothing here to indicate that the team is falling apart over what could be a non-incident.

    Plain and simple, Gase is our coach this season. Oz is our quarterback behind a 2nd string line. We can't change that even though it stinks...we're going to have to fight and claw for every single win since we don't have the talent. Due to injuries, this is a 4-12 team that somehow has five wins and in the playoff hunt...it's not time to talk about firing anyone. It's time to be a fan and enjoy this unprobable run towards the post-season.
     
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  27. Fame

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    Nailed it.

    That one sentence perfectly describes the Miami fan base.
     
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  28. Rock Sexton

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    You forgot to call the fact that it was the Jets. It's real easy to look slick when they're starting a rookie QB with a pension for turnovers and no run game.

    I feel like some of you guys have real bad short term memory problems sometimes with this team. All it takes is one ugly win for you to forget the sins of the season. This is what MEDIOCRITY looks like. What really pisses me off is if you want a good look at Minkah and you feel he deserves snaps at safety then freakin' trade Jones! God knows there's plenty of playoff worthy teams willing to pay extra for his services.

    Instead we're at a juncture where our best defensive player is literally benching himself in game. I'm sorry man, this coach is a joke.
     
  29. Rock Sexton

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    Last I checked you're part of the fan base.
     
  30. texanphinatic

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    I mean, to a degree it may be true, but two points ...

    1) Literally every fan base is the same barring their team having sustained and high level success.
    2) One excellent game against a team that can't even snap the ball doesnt erase the fact that we got absolutely housed by 3 teams in a row who field actual offensive units. If we repeat our good performance against Green Bay and Indy, cool. Until then, let's just realize the context.

    The fact that we are still in the playoff race is an indication of just how butt most of the AFC is, and that we basically have 5 guaranteed wins on the schedule (Oak, Jets, Buff). When we went up against NE, Houston and Cinci? Those are more the indication of where we are as a team.

    Meanwhile, we have potentially our best defender benching himself because the coaches dont know how to use him or talk to him, and can't figure out any other way to get our promising rookie on the field.

    There is a fine line between building a new culture and just spreading unrest and dysfunction. To this point, there is frankly little to indicate Gase has a handle on it.

    Its year three, our offense is still in shambles, our defense is a mess, players are benching themselves and having their agents issue scathing comments. I mean, we just dont see that stuff in most cases, even when a culture is being rebuilt.

    You want to build a culture? Here's the secret - ****ing win. Put up Ws and you will build your culture. Dont, and you may as well be the Browns.
     
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  31. Rock Sexton

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    This is definitely dysfunction man. The problem is the aroma from this so-called "genius" still hasn't worn off yet with enough people, especially those who make decisions - which is amazing given the overall results. What we're left with is a smug head coach who's so preoccupied with his pathetic offense that he didn't even know his best player was unhappy.

    This job is too big for him. Always has been.
     
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  32. KeyFin

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    In regards to short memories, what about our defense in weeks 1-6...against a few very good offenses. What we saw yesterday was way more "the norm" for our defense this season than the exception. And you'r right, part of that whooping is because it was the Jets...but we largely dominated the Jets twice, the Titans, Raiders, Bears and Bengals. We got blown out by the Pats at home (huge shocker) with Davis being held all game long. We gave up a few big plays in Detroit that showed some reason for concern. Then then the floodgates broke open against the Texans.

    That's 2 bad weeks out of nine, plus losing to the Pat's refs. I'm sorry, but that's not a history of mediocre.

    Now if you want to talk about the offense, sure...that hasn't been very good this year and we miss the heck out of Tannehill/Wilson for those explosive chunk yards. But it is what it is; another year with a 2nd string line trying to figure things out. It sucks but none of it says to me, "We have to fire the coach immediately." We're 5-4 despite all that stuff.
     
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  33. Finatik

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    I find it totally comical that when we win it's always "they are horrible". You can only play who they schedule.
     
  34. texanphinatic

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    Both things can be true. The Jets are objectively a terrible football team with probably as much or more dysfunction as we have.

    They were on the schedule, and we beat them. But that's not exactly something to write home about, ya know? Doubly so the manner in which we won, and then adding in the context of getting our doors blown off against good teams prior.
     
  35. KeyFin

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    Here's how I see it. The league ranks you solely on wins. so I could really care less who we beat. If they'd give us NY, Cleveland and San Fran five time each, I'd take it in a heartbeat. Because let's face it- beating the Jets is EXACTLY the same as being the Saints, Pats or any other team. A win is a win and they are all incredibly valuable.

    Are the Jets bad? Yup. But how would you feel if we lost to the Jets? Or if they swept us? So don't give me a little disclaimer saying we only beat a bad team- a win is a win.

    PS- that wasn't directed at you specifically. It just gets old when people cry when we lose, then they cry just as much when we win because the other team wasn't 12 time Super Bowl champs with an All-Pro at every single position.
     
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  36. Irishman

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    News Flash - WE WON!!!
     
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  37. Rock Sexton

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    I bolded what matters most.

    With all due respect - you say it as if it's an acceptable outcome. The road to the division title goes thru New England and likely the AFC once again. They are the litmus test and nothing else really matters. Everything else is just an excuse, which is something this team seems to have a lot of.

    The offense has never really been up to snuff under Gase's watch. That is supposed to be his forte remember? Hell the 49'ers have more output with those two all-time greats QB'ing in Beathard/Mullens and spare parts in the run game. Yet somehow Shanahan largely keeps that unit competitive.
     
  38. Rock Sexton

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    A win is a win ..... but some wins are also window dressing.
     
  39. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Could this be as simple as Jones is playing with a shoulder injury and was like "yeah...i'll sub out, my shoulder is legit killing me?" Only an idiot would take Reshad Jones off the football field in an important game where we are still mathematically fighting for our playoff lives. This is no secret that Jones is actually trying to play through this injury. I believe it's the same shoulder he had issues with two-three years ago. I don't see this as quitting. I see it as protecting his body, but that's just m.e
     
  40. KeyFin

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    It wasn't even remotely acceptable, but when Howard gets held by the slot receiver right in front of the ref as the edge guy sprints uncovered for an easy 50-yard lob TD...I'm not sure what to even say about that. The refs flat out handed NE two TD's and took one away from us, and it's a pattern we see year after year for whatever reason.

    That leaves us two options- stop watching NFL football completely (screw that idea) or live with why nobody wins in Gillette stadium.

    The offense has struggled because we haven't had a starting QB or any sort of chance to build consistency. It's frustrating as hell but I guarantee you that ANY COACH and ANY TEAM would have struggled if they had out 2017/2018 seasons with hurricanes, stars out hurt, no starting QB, horrible road trips, etc. I'm not trying to make excuses here for Gase but at the same time, he's yet to have a single full year with the QB he insists is awesome.

    Were we amazed that Philly won the Super Bowl with a backup QB? Of course we are because it just doesn't happen very often. The offense has been inconsistent but so has our roster- I just don't think you can pin 100% of that on a coach when he led us to the playoffs after starting 1-5 in year one....again with a backup QB (although my boy Moore is exceptional). =)

    I'm curious- if we end up somehow going 9-7 or 10-6 and making the playoffs this season, will you still think Gase deserves to be fired? Because if so, your problem really isn't with Gase. He's been handicapped pretty much since taking the job though by these crazy string of injuries. Will we even have an offensive lineman starter this week? I've been afraid to Google Tunsil and James today.
     
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