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Just two narrative hills people need to stop dying on please.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, Sep 18, 2023.

  1. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    Last year we got to hear on this messageboard McDaniel looked like a kid from geeks quad and couldnt inspire men. Shut up! Just shut up with this antiquated nonsense.

    and my second and perhaps most ghastly if you watched any tape, at all:

    Tua lacks any elite skills to warrant where he was picked. You can debate durability and arm strength and talk yourself in circles on every thread in this board and get nowhere because our fanbase is INSANE, however the narrative that he has no plus tools when he has ALL WORLD accuracy and recognition/anticipation is tired. Take the L on that facet. Thats what they saw. Its there. You can see it too. Stop lying that its not there.
     
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  2. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    I'd take a 90 pound limp-wristed orphan off the streets of Mumbai who never heard of American football as my QB if he came in and played as well as Tua has played. Doesn't have experience? Don't care. Doesn't have arm strength? Cool. Didn't pass the 'eye test'? Bring him on.

    All I care about is how well he plays and he can be somebody's vision of subjectively horrible as long as he plays lights out. Says more about that guy than him.

    And I don't think there are too many people who diss McDaniel at this point. He's actually improved the offense from last season. My only problem with his performance in the first two games was continuing to try to throw over the Pats playing three safeties. If they were only giving underneath stuff, I'd prefer we take underneath stuff. Sure, I love gas plays as much as the next guy but if I'm averaging 5-8 yards per play by foregoing them, I'll just wear them down by rushing and taking intermediate throws.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Tua played a beautiful game last nite anyone who can’t see that after a rewatch don’t listen to cause they don’t know **** about the game

    It’s obvious Tua is the fastest Qb from snap to release not even close

    But, the snaps that are being bumbled I’m pretty sure it’s because he’s trying to be even faster

    Every inch counts is the cliche

    With Tua it’s every fraction of a second counts

    Dude is next level
     
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  4. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    These quarterbacks in the NFL stink. I feel very fortunate that Tua is our quarterback.
     
  5. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I have no issues with him at this point. Durability is always going to be a fear, the injuries, etc. We can't have that happen, but if we keep him upright, we should be good to go. He took a sack last night and from the looks of it, Judon went easy on him. We obviously don't want him taking hits on a regular basis, but he's going to have to survive at least one or two a game every time out.

    One thing I'd like to see him do is to start being able to finish teams he has a lead on. He's proven he can finish a close game, he's proven he can take us down the field for a game-winning drive. Last night we had a few opportunities to really put them away from the midway point of the third quarter on into the fourth. I felt like he missed a few opportunities to do that. Looking back at great Quarterbacks over the years, I can remember the great ones being able to do that at times. Brady used to do it to us, Peyton Manning would do it, and Mahomes does it now. I think Tua can improve on putting teams away and NOT letting them hang around. I never felt that the game was too close for comfort last night mainly because the Pats offense is cheeks. However, you play a team like Philly, or Baltimore that HAS a competent offense, and letting them stay that close is going to come back to bite us.

    That was a bad pick by Tua last night. It was the only forced throw of the night that he made and it would have been hella costly against a team with a better offense. I can understand the concern over that throw, but it's definitely correctable and I have faith that he'll be smarter next time with that.
     
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  6. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    The arm was definitely an issue his first two years, which was probably somewhat a result of the Alabama hip injury - both in terms of the time he couldn't throw and keep it strong and in small changes caused by the injury to his motion and mentally not being fully recovered. He seemed to be better with it last year, and this year again he seems to be stronger once more. He's making flick throws and off balance throws with accuracy and some distance that he couldn't before. He's rifling the ball in spots like that TD to Hill on the goal line.

    Is he ever going to have the absolute cannon that Allen, Mahomes and Herbert have? Nope. Is the arm plenty strong enough for elite QB play? Yep.
     
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  7. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Easy to feel good about what Miami has when you watch the QB play in tonights MNF double header. Especially in regards to the guy Miami almost traded for.
     
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  8. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    You must have read my mind before posting this. And not just QB, but play calling as well. I watched the play calling, situational awareness, execution and quarterbacking in both games and we need to appreciate what we have right now. We need a few breaks but we are definitely in our window.
     
  9. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Anybody concerned that they won't get that fixed? I'm not.
     
  10. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    I have no issue with where he threw it. It was single coverage on a night where they were not getting many chances to take shots. It was the timing that was messed up. Tua cannot execute the play fake, then hesitate on a throw where Hill is just on a straight go. He throws his deep passes with air under them and doesn't have the arm strength to throw it 65 - 75 yards in the air with that kind of height. He either needs to throw it flatter or the timing of the throw needs to be sooner. They will get that corrected.
     
  11. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    As you say, Tua has a number of elite skills. Quickness, arm talent, accuracy, and anticipation are all elite level. Awareness, and processing speed are getting there. What are teams going to do when Tua reaches the understanding of the game of a Brady/Brees/Manning?
     

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