Kaep Working Out for Raiders

"dolphin25 wrote:

What part can you not comprehend?

Always fun when people don't realize they are being made fun of

"dolphin25 wrote:

like you now?

Oh good one! You keep on picking the smartest replies.

Here is a ball, why don't you bounce it?

"dolphin25 wrote:

Clearly you don't have the ability to keep up. For the record I am making fun of you for your inability to comprehend comparable situations. Also, I'm making fun of you because of your over all typical immature ignorance.

LOL, wow, this is just classic. Good job.

"dolphin25 wrote:

Well, at least you finally understood something.

I feel sorry for you man. Really do.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

I feel sorry for you man. Really do.

Thanks. I went back and delete all my comments because I felt bad for you.

"dolphin25 wrote:

Then why didn't they cut him? Why was he not cut before he was told. Facts are if he had played it out things could have turned out differently. You can defend him all you want, but that won't change the fact it is on him.

Do you have any reason to believe John Lynch was lying when he said he was going to release him?

I don't think it matters whether Kaep was cut or not- the result would have been the same. He decided to walk away from the 49ers and he's made it clear that he expected a significant raise and a starting position. Nobody gave him that- plain and simple.

Now, maybe he'd be in the league right now if he'd accept a more team-friendly offer. Maybe not. But when you make those types of demands, teams have every right to not sign you. That shouldn't be shocking to anyone.

I'll share a similar story- Matt Moore. He started for the Panthers for a few seasons, got his brains beat in from multiple concussions, and he got benched. He asked for a trade and nothing surfaced...he wasn't going to be a starter anymore. So he had a decision to make, just like Kaep did. Heck, so did Tannehill for that matter. Our guys, they sucked up their pride and accepted that bench role supporting their team. And both became starters once again, after they proved their worth.

But guess what- if either of them said, "Start me day one and give me a raise," both of them would be out of football as well. That's just how it works.

Some of you may think the protests had something to do with Kaep not finding a team- and who knows, maybe you're right. But that was never the main factor in any of this. His expectations of deserving a starting role and deserving 20M+ a year is what kept him out of the league. That's on him and nobody else. Kaep just got terrible advice and vastly overestimated his worth.

Everyone has to earn that starter position, no matter who you are or how talented you might be.

"KeyFin wrote:

I don't think it matters whether Kaep was cut or not- the result would have been the same. He decided to walk away from the 49ers and he's made it clear that he expected a significant raise and a starting position. Nobody gave him that- plain and simple.

Now, maybe he'd be in the league right now if he'd accept a more team-friendly offer. Maybe not. But when you make those types of demands, teams have every right to not sign you. That shouldn't be shocking to anyone.

I'll share a similar story- Matt Moore. He started for the Panthers for a few seasons, got his brains beat in from multiple concussions, and he got benched. He asked for a trade and nothing surfaced...he wasn't going to be a starter anymore. So he had a decision to make, just like Kaep did. Heck, so did Tannehill for that matter. Our guys, they sucked up their pride and accepted that bench role supporting their team. And both became starters once again, after they proved their worth.

But guess what- if either of them said, "Start me day one and give me a raise," both of them would be out of football as well. That's just how it works.

Some of you may think the protests had something to do with Kaep not finding a team- and who knows, maybe you're right. But that was never the main factor in any of this. His expectations of deserving a starting role and deserving 20M+ a year is what kept him out of the league. That's on him and nobody else. Kaep just got terrible advice and vastly overestimated his worth.

Everyone has to earn that starter position, no matter who you are or how talented you might be.

We don't actually know what he would have wanted and no team was even interested enough to find out how much he wanted

The 20 million number you mentioned is what it was reported to have wanted to play in one of the other football leagues.

In terms of the NFL the only thing we got was in 2017 when it was reported he wanted a chance to compete to start and 9-10 million. There just isn't any evidence of what you are saying. Its certainly not true because the NFL would have loved if a team offered him a backup job and for him to turn it down because it would have been leaked instantly and changed the narrative.

"dolphin25 wrote:

Then why didn't they cut him? Why was he not cut before he was told. Facts are if he had played it out things could have turned out differently. You can defend him all you want, but that won't change the fact it is on him.

And if I went to a casino with a bucket full of quarters and played all the way through to the last coin at a slot machine, maybe I'd hit a jackpot big enough to make the trip worth it. But the chances of that happening are about the same as 49ers having a change of heart on Kaepernick - astronomically low.

"Fireland wrote:

We don't actually know what he would have wanted and no team was even interested enough to find out how much he wanted

The 20 million number you mentioned is what it was reported to have wanted to play in one of the other football leagues.

In terms of the NFL the only thing we got was in 2017 when it was reported he wanted a chance to compete to start and 9-10 million. There just isn't any evidence of what you are saying. Its certainly not true because the NFL would have loved if a team offered him a backup job and for him to turn it down because it would have been leaked instantly and changed the narrative.

Do your research. He's talked to multiple teams, worked out for two teams, plus held his own combine. His agent has also said at least a dozen times that he was close to receiving an offer...but that never happened publicly. The reason for that is exactly what I said- he demanded a starting role and $20M/year.

"dolphin25 wrote:

Again same thing happened to me, and I was retained. There was corporate meeting saying yes, we are going to cut this group. Had been given and end date and everything. If I had left i could certainly claim "I just avoided the inevitable."

He did this to himself by opting out and then expecting others to pay him same amount even though it was clear is his market value was not there. On top of that he decided to make things political AND turn people off making 50k a year by saying his making millions was like being a slave.

I know, I get it, he wants to play the victim.

He got his wish, he's his own victim.
What a moron!

"Fireland wrote:

Do you have any reason to believe John Lynch was lying when he said he was going to release him?

That is totally irrelevant to the discussion. What we do know for a fact is that Lynch did not release him. Another fact is that K walked away. Like it or not those are the facts. It is possible that had he stayed perhaps Lynch would have changed his mind.

"KeyFin wrote:

Do your research. He's talked to multiple teams, worked out for two teams, plus held his own combine. His agent has also said at least a dozen times that he was close to receiving an offer...but that never happened publicly. The reason for that is exactly what I said- he demanded a starting role and $20M/year.

I am not saying you are lying but can you give me a link? All I can find is about him wanting 20 million to play in AAF or XFL.

1 visit and 1 work out in 6 years is an comically low number for someone with his career by the way

You mention his agent but his agent also said in 2019 that they demanded no specific salary and had little to no interest

"dolphin25 wrote:

That is totally irrelevant to the discussion. What we do know for a fact is that Lynch did not release him. Another fact is that K walked away. Like it or not those are the facts. It is possible that had he stayed perhaps Lynch would have changed his mind.

The facts are also that John Lynch said him opting out was irrelevant because he was getting released

Plus they still could have changed their mind and tried to resign him in that fantasy scenario

"Fireland wrote:

I am not saying you are lying but can you give me a link? All I can find is about him wanting 20 million to play in AAF or XFL.

1 visit and 1 work out in 6 years is an comically low number for someone with his career by the way

You mention his agent but his agent also said in 2019 that they demanded no specific salary and had little to no interest

The facts are also that John Lynch said him opting out was irrelevant because he was getting released

Plus they still could have changed their mind and tried to resign him in that fantasy scenario

"Fireland wrote:

I am not saying you are lying but can you give me a link? All I can find is about him wanting 20 million to play in AAF or XFL.

1 visit and 1 work out in 6 years is an comically low number for someone with his career by the way

You mention his agent but his agent also said in 2019 that they demanded no specific salary and had little to no interest

The facts are also that John Lynch said him opting out was irrelevant because he was getting released

Plus they still could have changed their mind and tried to resign him in that fantasy scenario

You just admitted they could have changed their mind... they could equally of changed their mind about releasing him.

"dolphin25 wrote:

You just admitted they could have changed their mind... they could equally of changed their mind about releasing him.

My point is about your hypothetical and in that scenario what difference does it make if he opts out or not? Nothing is stopping them from calling his agent and trying to get him back on a new deal. The reason why you dismiss that is because you know the same thing I do which is they made up their mind and were never going to change it.

He's a cancer that was rightly cut out. Why would you want that growth back on your team.

Kaepernick isn’t going to play for the Raiders…or any other NFL this year nor likely ever again. In my opinion, his workout with the Raiders was nothing more than a publicity stunt. He’s been out of the public eye for quite some time and needed attention drawn back to him again…only for him to cry foul again for not being signed if I were a betting man.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Kaepernick isn’t going to play for the Raiders…or any other NFL this year nor likely ever again. In my opinion, his workout with the Raiders was nothing more than a publicity stunt. He’s been out of the public eye for quite some time and needed attention drawn back to him again…only for him to cry foul again for not being signed if I were a betting man.

The media and other media sites have some weird vested interest in trying to rehabilitate the guy by only focusing on how he throws the ball. His racist comments wouldn’t be tolerated and he would have been permanently cancelled if he we’re of other persuasion.

"Finatik wrote:

The media and other media sites have some weird vested interest in trying to rehabilitate the guy by only focusing on how he throws the ball. His racist comments wouldn’t be tolerated and he would have been permanently cancelled if he we’re of other persuasion.

What racist comments did he say?

"Silverphin wrote:

What racist comments did he say?

We’re not allowed to discuss here as it’s not football related.

"Given the fact that he hasn’t played professional football since 2016, it’d be understandable if Colin Kaepernick showed a bit of rust. Teams would presumably be more interested in seeing if the things that made him a breakout star, like athleticism and arm strength, remained intact. According to Breer, that’s more or less what the Raiders saw.

“The Raiders’ workout of Colin Kaepernick … was positive,” he wrote in May 30’s MMQB column. “I’d say the door is being left open for a deal, but it probably won’t happen right now. The workout itself went well. He didn’t blow everyone away or anything like that. But he showed he was in shape, and that his arm strength is still intact, even at 34 years old and after five seasons out of the league. The upshot for Vegas, as I see it, is twofold. One, owner Mark Davis has long been an advocate for Kaepernick, and his cause, and so being the team to give him an opportunity lines up with where the boss is philosophically. Two, there just aren’t a zillion NFL-capable quarterbacks out there. So if you’re going to be a team that looks under every rock, as Josh McDaniels said the Raiders would be last week, this makes sense as one to turn over. For now, my sense is Kaepernick did well enough to keep himself in the discussion.”

So, where does that leave the quarterback? At this point, he’ll probably have to play the waiting game.

“And my guess is the Raiders give themselves the rest of the spring to look at the guys they’ve been working with behind Derek Carr, Nick Mullens and Jarrett Stidham, and then reassess,” Breer continued. “But for now, it’s a really good development for a quarterback who’s actually three-and-a-half years older than Carr, and I think genuinely wants a chance to compete somewhere for a job this summer (I’m not sure NFL teams were convinced that was the case in the past).”

Breer wasn’t the only one to share that sentiment, though. On an NFL Total Access segment, Mike Garafolo said that he believes Kaepernick will be on an NFL roster for the 2022 campaign.

“I’ll say yes,” he explained. “And I think it may very well be the Raiders. And the fact that they didn’t sign him immediately is not necessarily an indication that they have moved on. It’s more about let’s see where this goes, let’s see our roster, let’s see where else he winds up working out. That could be a factor, as well. But I’ll say yes, and likely in Las Vegas. We’ll see.”

While there are some obvious caveats there — Kaepernick will turn 35 during the upcoming campaign and has spent multiple years away from football, which could complicate a return — one reality remains. If you’re only looking for a backup quarterback, Kaep is probably better than your alternative options.

In this case, let’s consider Mullens and Stidham. The former man has spent four years in the NFL, starting 17 games. He’s thrown for 4,861 yards in those contests, with 26 touchdowns and 22 interceptions. Stidham’s professional resume is even shorter, as he threw 48 total passes during two years in New England.

While we don’t know what the Raiders want in their backup quarterback — you could argue there’s some value to having Stidham on the roster as a potential development project — it seems unlikely that the organization will look at either of those two men and say, “He can win us eight games in an emergency.” If you simply want a backup who can hold down the fort if Carr suffers an injury, Kaepernick certainly deserves consideration. Is he going to steal the starting job and throw for 45 touchdowns while running for 20 more? Of course not, but, as Breer said, there’s a limited talent pool. If the former 49er can simply do more than the other backups out there, he should be considered for the job."

Colin Kaepernick 'Didn't Blow Everyone Away' During His Raiders Workout, but It Still 'Went Well' (sportscasting.com)

"Galant wrote:

"While there are some obvious caveats there — Kaepernick will turn 35 during the upcoming campaign and has spent multiple years away from football, which could complicate a return — one reality remains. If you’re only looking for a backup quarterback, Kaep is probably better than your alternative options.

In this case, let’s consider Mullens and Stidham.

That's exactly what I was thinking while reading the article. It's debatable if Kaep can outplay Carr- probably not at his age with 6 years off. But is he better than Mullins and Stidham? I think we all know the answer to that.

Personally, I hope they sign him. And my reasoning is simple- either he'll return to his elite form in that one NFL season, or he'll ride the bench for a little while and eventually get cut. Either way though, THIS STORY goes away because there will be nothing else to say on the matter. He can prove his worth on the field.

"Fireland wrote:

I am not saying you are lying but can you give me a link? All I can find is about him wanting 20 million to play in AAF or XFL.

1 visit and 1 work out in 6 years is an comically low number for someone with his career by the way

You mention his agent but his agent also said in 2019 that they demanded no specific salary and had little to no interest

The facts are also that John Lynch said him opting out was irrelevant because he was getting released

Plus they still could have changed their mind and tried to resign him in that fantasy scenario

If that was said by Lynch, then the reality is "K" opted out.
Nothing changes that.
Nothing.

"K" has to live with the actions he took - period!
"K" was in big trouble with the team for poor play - that's why he was benched.
If "K" thought they were going to release him anyway, it was still his decision to go at the time he left.
Nothing changes that.
Nothing.

"K" should stop trying to blame everyone else for his failure to develop as a QB.

He took to kneeling and claiming racism was the reason for his being benched, in a profession that has shown through the percentage of the current players who are black and doing well. That means he doesn't have a legitimate argument for racism.

I have only one thing to say to "K".

So long, don't let the door hit you in the but as you leave - Whoops, a little late for that warning I guess. - LOL

"Irishman wrote:

If that was said by Lynch, then the reality is "K" opted out.
Nothing changes that.
Nothing.

"K" has to live with the actions he took - period!
"K" was in big trouble with the team for poor play - that's why he was benched.
If "K" thought they were going to release him anyway, it was still his decision to go at the time he left.
Nothing changes that.
Nothing.

"K" should stop trying to blame everyone else for his failure to develop as a QB.

He took to kneeling and claiming racism was the reason for his being benched, in a profession that has shown through the percentage of the current players who are black and doing well. That means he doesn't have a legitimate argument for racism.

I have only one thing to say to "K".

So long, don't let the door hit you in the but as you leave - Whoops, a little late for that warning I guess. - LOL

I still have no clue how anyone defends this guy. There are so many guys we never heard of that deserve a shot over this clown i just don't get it.

"Irishman wrote:

If that was said by Lynch, then the reality is "K" opted out.
Nothing changes that.
Nothing.

"K" has to live with the actions he took - period!
"K" was in big trouble with the team for poor play - that's why he was benched.
If "K" thought they were going to release him anyway, it was still his decision to go at the time he left.
Nothing changes that.
Nothing.

"K" should stop trying to blame everyone else for his failure to develop as a QB.

He took to kneeling and claiming racism was the reason for his being benched, in a profession that has shown through the percentage of the current players who are black and doing well. That means he doesn't have a legitimate argument for racism.

I have only one thing to say to "K".

So long, don't let the door hit you in the but as you leave - Whoops, a little late for that warning I guess. - LOL

Your agenda doesn't really change that he was going to be released. Whether you are ok with teams not signing him for protesting is not the topic at hand.