ur "tags" are awesome....


for the record....i started this diet monday......at 293.5......woke up this morning weighing in at 283.5

 

http://www.med.unibs.it/~marchesi/fatox.html#ketogenesis

 

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I just lost 20 pounds from my brain melting out of my head trying to figure that out...

 

It's what happens inside your body when you oxidize large amounts of fatty acids.

In addition to producing other toxic byproducts, ketones that are produced act as strong acids and impair the oxygen carrying cells (hemoglobin) from strongly binding oxygen. Acidic conditions is one trigger for a decreased affinity of oxygen - in low pH heme transitions into conformational form that causes oxygen to be delivered to tissues.

Short story - if you do the diet, monitor your ketone bodies and expect to be more tired that you were before you limiting carbs.

I can only speak to the biochemistry part of the process. A physician can better explain any other potential side effects if you allow your body to become too ketotic.

 

No bro. It's not the adjustment to having less easily obtained glucose. You adjust to having less available oxygen. The affinity of heme to oxygen in acidic conditions doesn't change over time and its a good thing it doesn't. :)

 

You lost me, so how did YOU get your vitamins?




























...:wink2:

 

It is not bull ****, bro. Like I told you by IM, I am not trying to dissuade people from doing this diet -- it works. What I am doing is trying to convince people to do this diet under supervision so that they don't become ill.

I invite your physician or any of our resident M.D. (or D.O.) to debate the issue that ketoacidosis can be fatal.

 

Any idea what this kind of diet would do to someone who's hypoglycemic?

 

Good job Walt and Sick. Keep up the great work. It takes effort and commitment and many of us are familiar with what a struggle what loss can be.... :hi5:

 

I think if I recall correctly I read somewhere on the board that you were a doctor so I imagine you were making a point by asking the question. In case not I will provide some sort of answer, although I am by no means an expert so do not rely on anything I say as scripture.
As a diabetic this diet would probably kill me.
I am not saying this is a bad diet, or an unsafe one. Clearly it has given some great results. But before anyone tries a diet like this I would STRONGLY advise seeing a doctor and making sure you do not have any blood sugar/diabetes related issues. By eating such a small amount of carbs, I imagine someone prone to hypoglycemic issues could face serious medical risks and possibly death.
Again I am not trying to deter anyone from using the diet as it seems to work real well, but it is VITAL that you know your body before you try any new diet. As a diabetic I have had weird reactions to different types of "diets" not to lose weight, but just different styles of eating, and it is extremely important that anyone with blood sugar related issues monitor their diet because serious consequences can result.
Diet's for people with blood sugar problems can be real effective. I lost 40 pounds in one year (185-145) and I was never extremely obese, just out of shape. At this point I am actually having trouble keeping weight on because of how my eating habits have changed, but I am by far in the best shape of my life, so some sort of diet is definitely possible no matter what your medical issues. You just need to find what works for your body and ensure that whatever you are doing is safe.

 

^^Best sound diet advice I've heard in a while:yes:...

 

You think far too highly of me :hi5: I'm no where near medically trained.
I did have an idea of what this would probably do, as I am hypoglycemic. In the past I tried the South Beach diet, and was a mess. Aside from my blood sugar crashing all the time, I completed phase one by losing only 4 lbs. Most people lose a ton during that time, and I was followed it strictly. I was actually hoping someone would have the science behind why the two don't mix.

I am confused by what you said though. I could have sworn that diabets were very successful with the Atkins diet, in both losing weight and keeping their blood sugar levels down?

 

I would consult with your doctor first Joe, but by the nature of the diet, your blood sugars will be lower and should be safe for diabetics. Just remember to monitor your ketone levels and, like I said, check with your physician first.

 

I imagine some diabetics (particularly type 2 are extremely successful with atkins, but diabetes (in my case type 1, another words I don't make insulin) is hard to control. I am not that well versed on the small details of type two, but if you would like I can try to type something up explaining how I understand type one and two to be different.... if you are interested.

By changing a diet to an essentially carb free one things can become difficult. Diabetes is managed by balancing carbohydrates (turn to sugar in your body) and insulin levels. For me, if I do not have a certain number of carbs my blood sugar becomes very out of whack. If i go completely off of insulin my blood sugar goes to hell and is very random (often very high). If I try eating low carb with reduced insulin I also seem to have lots of problems running very low (to low, where hypoglycemic events can take place). For me it is easiest to do a sort of middle balance with carbs and insulin.

I am on the insulin pump and have a certain number and type of carbs I try to eat at each meal because that is how MY blood sugar levels are best controlled, but every person/diabetic is different. Again, this is all personal experience and research, no medical training what so ever...but any person who suspects hypoglycemic problems should be very careful with low carb diets. Particularly if you are not diabetic and just get low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) because I THINK that means that your body is already producing more insulin than is needed at points and by drastically limiting your carbs you can be potentially causing serious problems. I have always had problems running low though, and my doctor finds my diabetes case to be an odd one.

Hope I clarified things.

The bottom line is blood sugar issues or not it is very important to consult a someone with a medical background before starting any sort of more dramatic diet.



Oh and as far as why hypoglycemia and low carb diets don't mix. Bottom line (I think, could be wrong) is that non diabetics with hypoglycemic issues are already at points producing more insulin than is necessary to keep their blood sugar in a normal range. So combining a lower number of carbs (carbs raise blood sugar) and still producing a higher amount of insulin (insulin lowers/controls blood sugar) can cause problems for both diets and health in non diabetics with hypoglycemia. But again, I am no doctor, just a diabetic giving a SOMEWHAT educated opinion, mostly based on personal experience.

 

basically, this is the atkins diet...I did it and my chronic stomach problems went away, it is a very fun diet, if you like meat, chicken, fish, but, don't cheat, you will feel a lot better for sure, you will get more lung and heart power
but, it isn't a cure all, but, it will help

 

yea, you went to low with the carbs and too high with the activity
brain burn, a lot of people get that

 

I'm interested in whether the weight has stayed off. I know I've been hearing a lot of people talking about this diet and how they gained it all back very quickly.

 

some more info:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090806/hl_nm/us_potassium_kidney_1

Don't know if this applies equally to adults, but I think the chances are better that it does than not.

 

A healthy keto diet that I often do is Dave Palumbo's cutting diet. Amazing results.

 

user aero zeppelin has the coolest handle i've seen here in a long time.

my whole thing with diets is exercise more eat less?

am i missing something?

 

say what lol? you lost me.

 

Thinkin of giving this diet a shot...try to drop 40 or something like that...hopefully it works!