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  1. ToddsPhins

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    If he can pack on some more weight, he could be a very nice hybrid..... bc the kid can do it all.
    There's a ton of talent on that defense.
     
  2. Gunner

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    Kiper Update:

    The biggest news after Championship Weekend -- Ndamukong Suh didn't do much to change his No. 1 slot, of course -- was that I moved Jake Locker to No. 5 (he was No. 9 last week). That shifted Sam Bradford, who had been No. 5, to No. 6 (he's also No. 3 among junior QBs, behind Jimmy Clausen and Locker). Not much else in the way of movement, but senior games, bowl season and the combine will all come very quickly, so keep checking back.

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    1 Ndamukong Suh
    DT 6-4 300
    Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1

    2 Gerald McCoy
    DT 6-4 297
    Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2

    3 Eric Berry
    DB 5-11 203
    Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3

    4 Jimmy Clausen
    QB 6-3 223
    Analysis: Polished, improved through adversity; under-center experience. Last week: No.
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    5 Jake Locker
    QB 6-3 226
    Analysis: Developing talent whose physical tools are unmatched. Last week: No. 9

    6 Sam Bradford
    QB 6-4 223
    Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; is superaccurate. Last week: No. 5

    7 Russell Okung
    OT 6-5 300
    Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blind-side pass-protector. Last week: No. 6

    8 Joe Haden
    CB 5-11 190
    Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 7

    9 Derrick Morgan
    DE 6-4 275
    Analysis: Proven pass-rusher (12.5 sacks this season); stout versus run. Last week: No.
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    10 Dez Bryant
    WR 6-2 220
    Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 11

    11 Brian Price
    DT 6-2 300
    Analysis: Powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc. Last week: No. 10

    12 Rolando McClain
    LB 6-4 258
    Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 13

    13 Jason Pierre-Paul
    DE 6-5 262
    Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 12

    14 Taylor Mays
    S 6-3 235
    Analysis: Has linebacker size with cornerback speed. Last week: No. 14

    15 C.J. Spiller
    RB 5-11 195
    Analysis: Multitalented, superfast, electrifying game breaker. Last week: No. 16

    16 Everson Griffen
    DE 6-3 280
    Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: No.
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    17 Carlos Dunlap
    DE 6-6 290
    Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 17

    18 Dan Williams
    DT 6-3 327
    Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: No. 18

    19 Aaron Hernandez
    TE 6-2 250
    Analysis: Great hands, and excellent run-after-catch skills for a TE. Last week: 19

    20 Brandon Graham
    DE 6-2 270
    Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 20

    21 Sergio Kindle
    LB 6-4 255
    Analysis: Production finally matches his talent. Last week: No. 21

    22 Jermaine Gresham
    TE 6-6 258
    Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 22

    23 Jerry Hughes
    DE 6-3 257
    Analysis: Prolific pass-rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB. Last week: No. 23

    24 Sean Weatherspoon
    LB 6-2 245
    Analysis: Makes plays all over the field. Last week: No. 24

    25 Patrick Robinson
    QB 5-11 193
    Analysis: Last week: NR
     
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  3. alen1

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    That's one of his better boards, even though I don't agree with some of the rankings.
     
  4. Boomer

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    Haden at 8, Dunlap at 17 and Kindle are the big laughs for me. I agree that Haden and Dunlap have upside but Kindle is pedestrian at best. He's hella overrated to steal a Sean Smithism.
     
  5. alen1

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    I think Kindle's fine if you're not looking at him as a pass rusher.
     
  6. Vendigo

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    I've had virtually no time at all to watch college ball this season but can someone tell me how Taylor Mays is in any top something list other than "top 10 players I wouldn't touch with a pole - or Kiper's pole for that matter"
     
  7. alen1

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    Dude! Don't you know he has linebacker size with cornerback speed!?!?!
     
  8. Vendigo

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    I do. But he's also got the football intelligence of my eight year old niece and the instincts of my left sock.
     
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  9. alen1

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    :lol:
     
  10. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Seriously though ... maybe you guy have beaten the issue to death yet (prolly did) ... what is he doing up there? I can't possible be the only one to think that this guy simply can't play ball and doesn't care how fast he is or how tall he his or how long his ***** is ...
     
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    Kiper could be viewing him as a prospect with potential at strong safety. Though, I'm not big on taking a SS in the first round.
     
  12. Vendigo

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    I'm not big on taking imposters in the first round. And that's what Mays is in my book. A track star pretending to be a football player. Yeah, Kiper might see him as a strong safety (though judging from his comments he's simply in love with his athleticism) but then I'd have to question Kiper's ability to judge basic and fundamental football talent.

    Maybe Mays will be a heck of a player, there's stranger things happening, but I cannot understand how someone can look at him right now and see NFL talent. I just can't.
     
  13. Boomer

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    But then what is he? He gets washed out as a run defender and athletically I think he's wooden. He's never struck me as quick twitch
     
  14. Boomer

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    Drafting him would be about as exciting as a glass of wasps.
     
  15. Stitches

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    Not to speak for Alen, but iirc Alen had said before that he liked Kindle as a 4-3 OLB. Or at least that he could be better at OLB than he has been at DE.
     
  16. Gunner

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    New Kiper Board"

    1 Ndamukong Suh
    DT 6-4 300
    Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1

    2 Gerald McCoy
    DT 6-4 297
    Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2

    3 Eric Berry
    DB 5-11 203
    Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3

    4 Jimmy Clausen
    QB 6-3 223
    Analysis: Improved through adversity, has under-center experience. Last week: No. 4

    5 Sam Bradford
    QB 6-4 223
    Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; is superaccurate. Last week: No. 6

    6 Russell Okung
    OT 6-5 300
    Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blind-side pass-protector. Last week: No. 7

    7 Joe Haden
    CB 5-11 190
    Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 7

    8 Derrick Morgan
    DE 6-4 275
    Analysis: Proven pass-rusher (12.5 sacks this season), stout versus run. Last week: No. 9

    9 Dez Bryant
    WR 6-2 220
    Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 10

    10 Brian Price
    DT 6-2 300
    Analysis: Powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc. Last week: No. 11

    11 Rolando McClain
    LB 6-4 258
    Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 12

    12 Jason Pierre-Paul
    DE 6-5 262
    Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 13

    13 Taylor Mays
    S 6-3 235
    Analysis: Has linebacker size with cornerback speed. Last week: No. 14

    14 C.J. Spiller
    RB 5-11 195
    Analysis: Multitalented, superfast, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 15

    15 Everson Griffen
    DE 6-3 280
    Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: No. 16

    16 Carlos Dunlap
    DE 6-6 290
    Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 17

    17 Dan Williams
    DT 6-3 327
    Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body.Last week: No. 18

    18 Aaron Hernandez
    TE 6-2 250
    Analysis: Great hands and excellent run-after-catch skills for a TE. Last week: No. 19

    19 Brandon Graham
    DE 6-2 270
    Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 20

    20 Jahvid Best
    RB 5-10 195
    Analysis: Versatile, game-breaker supreme. Last week: NR

    21 Sergio Kindle
    LB 6-4 255
    Analysis: Production finally matches his talent. Last week: No. 21

    22 Jermaine Gresham
    TE 6-6 258
    Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 22

    23 Jerry Hughes
    DE 6-3 257
    Analysis: Prolific pass-rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB. Last week: No. 23

    24 Sean Weatherspoon
    LB 6-2 245
    Analysis: Makes plays all over the field. Last week: No. 24

    25 Patrick Robinson
    CB 5-11 193
    Analysis: Consistent, even in a tough year. Best overall senior CB. Last week: 25
     
  17. Gunner

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    Scouts Inc Top 32 Latest:

    1 Eric Berry S 5'11¼" 204 Tennessee 97 1
    2 Gerald McCoy DT 6'3½" 296 Oklahoma 97 2
    3Ndamukong Suh DT 6'3⅞"295 Nebraska 96 3
    4 Joe Haden CB 5'11⅜" 191 Florida 96 4
    5 Russell Okung OT 6'8" 299 Oklahoma State 96 5
    6 Derrick Morgan DE 6'4" 268 Georgia Tech 96 6
    7 Rolando McClain ILB 6'3½" 245 Alabama 96 7
    8 Trent Williams OT 6'5" 306 Oklahoma 95 8
    9 C.J. Spiller RB 5'10¾" 196 Clemson 95 9
    10 Jake Locker QB 6'2¼" 222 Washington 95 10
    11 Dez Bryant WR 6'2" 217 Oklahoma State 95 11
    12 Sam Bradford QB 6'4" 214 Oklahoma 94 12
    13 Earl Thomas S 5'11" 198 Texas 94 13
    14 Sergio Kindle OLB 6'4" 236 Texas 94 14
    15 Navorro Bowman OLB 6'1½" 231 Penn State 93 15
    16 Taylor Mays S 6'3" 236 USC 93 16
    17 Anthony Davis OT 6'5½" 328 Rutgers 93 17
    18 Jimmy Clausen QB 6'2¾" 217 Notre Dame 93 18
    19 Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6'5½" 263 South Florida 93 19
    20 Bruce Carter OLB 6'2¾" 223 North Carolina 92 20
    21 Arthur Jones DT 6'3" 302 Syracuse 92 21
    22 Brandon Spikes ILB 6'3" 252 Florida 92 22
    23 Jahvid Best RB 5'9¾" 198 California 92 23
    24 Jermaine Gresham TE 6'6" 262 Oklahoma 92 24
    25 Carlos Dunlap DE 6'5¾" 293 Florida 92 25
    26 Patrick Robinson CB 5'11⅛" 192 Florida State 92 26
    27 Bruce Campbell OT 6'6¼" 312 Maryland 92 27
    28 Golden Tate WR 5'11" 194 Notre Dame 91 28
    29 Bryan Bulaga OT 6'6" 311 Iowa 91 29
    30 Jonathan Dwyer RB 5'11⅛" 234 Georgia Tech 91 30
    31 Vladimir Ducasse OG 6'5" 328 90 31
    32 Ricky Sapp DE 6'4" 245 Clemson 90 32
     
  18. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Is it just me or is scout's big board like the most talked about players at this time? Lol, it doesn't even look like a big board to me.

    Also, Suh not number one? Robbed IMO. Locker's not in the Draft.
     
  19. Frayser

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    The #19-#24 range on Kiper's is fantastic for us!
     
  20. Gunner

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    Yeah, the Scouts Inc is a little dated because I like to post it against Kiper's big board for comparison ... the Scout's one is probably a 4-5 days old.
     
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    Ah, gotcha.

    Btw, I appreciate you posting this for us.
     
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    Kiper says this is his last big board update of 2009:

    One very notable addition this week: Anthony Davis, the gifted Rutgers tackle, is squarely in play as the second-best tackle in the draft, and debuts on the Board this week at No. 15. As I wrote about him last week, I'd wanted to wait until we were sure Davis was going to make the jump, because earlier in the season he was dealing with some nagging injuries, and his intentions weren't clear. Davis is still getting better, and he has a chance to be the first tackle taken when it's all said and done.

    The one notable name to drop off this week is Jahvid Best. Before you scream, note that he's still got first-round talent, but I don't include undeclared juniors until they're in the top 15-20 range, and Best is just beyond that now. He certainly has the talent to be in this mix as we move ahead and he declares his intentions.

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    Ndamukong Suh
    DT 6-4 300
    Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1

    2
    Gerald McCoy
    DT 6-4 297
    Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2

    3
    Eric Berry
    DB 5-11 203
    Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3

    4
    Jimmy Clausen
    QB 6-3 223
    Analysis: Improved through adversity, has under-center experience. Last week: No. 4

    5
    Sam Bradford
    QB 6-4 223
    Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position, is superaccurate. Last week: No. 6

    6
    Russell Okung
    OT 6-5 300
    Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blind-side pass-protector. Last week: No. 7

    7
    Joe Haden
    CB 5-11 190
    Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 7

    8
    Derrick Morgan
    DE 6-4 275
    Analysis: Proven pass-rusher (12.5 sacks this season), stout versus run. Last week: No. 9

    9
    Dez Bryant
    WR 6-2 220
    Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 10

    10
    Brian Price
    DT 6-2 300
    Analysis: Powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc. Last week: No. 11

    11
    Rolando McClain
    LB 6-4 258
    Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 12

    12
    Jason Pierre-Paul
    DE 6-5 262
    Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 13

    13
    Taylor Mays
    S 6-3 235
    Analysis: Has linebacker size with cornerback speed. Last week: No. 14

    14
    C.J. Spiller
    RB 5-11 195
    Analysis: Multitalented, superfast, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 15

    15
    Anthony Davis
    OT 6-6 325
    Analysis: Gifted physically, quick feet, and still improving. Last week: NR

    16
    Everson Griffen
    DE 6-3 280
    Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: No. 15

    17
    Carlos Dunlap
    DE 6-6 290
    Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 16

    18
    Dan Williams
    DT 6-3 327
    Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body.Last week: No. 17

    19
    Aaron Hernandez
    TE 6-2 250
    Analysis: Great hands and excellent run-after-catch skills for a TE. Last week: No. 18

    20
    Brandon Graham
    DE 6-2 270
    Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 19

    21
    Sergio Kindle
    LB 6-4 255
    Analysis: Production finally matches his talent. Last week: No. 21

    22
    Jermaine Gresham
    TE 6-6 258
    Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 22

    23
    Jerry Hughes
    DE 6-3 257
    Analysis: Prolific pass-rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB. Last week: No. 23

    24
    Sean Weatherspoon
    LB 6-2 245
    Analysis: Makes plays all over the field. Last week: No. 24

    25
    Patrick Robinson
    CB 5-11 193
    Analysis: Consistent, even in a tough year. Best overall senior CB. Last week: 25
     
  23. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    There's a lot to like about this year's Top 25 (at least, according to Kiper). Graham, Gresham, Kindle, Hughes, and Witherspoon are all players that may be available wherever we end up picking. I know it's early, but I would be pretty happy with any of them in aqua & orange next year.
     
  24. padre31

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    How funny:

    In the top 10


    3 DT's
    2 Defensive Backs,
    2 Qb's
    1 DE
    1 Wr
    1 OT

    3 Defensive Tackles? That never happens, seriously normally there is maybe 1, sometimes 2, but 3?


    3 pure Lb's in the top 25 but 6 De/projects and 4 DT's overall.

    Basically, according to Kiper's raw numbers, this is not a great year for the two positions we should address, Wr and Inside Linebacker or "pure" Outside Linebacker and only Dez Bryant rates on his radar at Wr.

    If Kiper was reliable, that would mean this would be a good year to choose either a DT, or a DE conversion project, or to trade back as the DE/OLB project could come just as easily at say #56 as compared to #26 and even then, where would that leave Cam Wake as the first round pick newbie would be expected to play ST and at least be a situational passrusher, both things that Wake is already doing.

    This should be fun to watch, I suspect we go DT or a surprise pick like Guard or Running Back.
     
  25. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    I see OLB (both sides) as just as much of a need as WR or ILB.
     
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    Why?

    The dolphins are second in the NFL in sacks and maybe 13th against the run.

    Taylor and Porter's 16 combined sacks are in the top 5 duo's in the NFL as well.

    Imho it could be argued that FS is more important than OLB, maybe even ILB.
     
  27. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    Porter had 4.5 sacks over a two game period. Other than that, I think his play has been very mediocre. He has completely disappeared in games. Now, he's been banged up, which I'm sure is a large part of the problem. But that's the point. He'll be 33 next year. I think we can expect a repeat performance of this year with, perhaps, even a little further decline in play.

    Taylor will be 35 next season. He too has disappeared in some games this season. In fact, twice he put up a big goose egg on the game stats. And now, he's missing practice due to a shoulder injury.

    I know what the stats say, but I also know what I see with my own eyes. I think we've been less than stellar at generating a consistent pass-rush. In my opinion, OLB is the most important position in a 3-4. We have two guys in the twilight of their careers manning those spots right now. Frankly, I'm not comfortable with either being the full-time starter next year. We can't just run Porter and Taylor into the ground and expect to be able to just pick up someone to fill in immediately. I think it's best to go ahead and find guys to start working into the rotation. My hope is that, with another offseason of work, Cam Wake can be that guy on the weakside. Right now, I like Brandon Graham as a target for the strongside.
     
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    JP will end up with his 10+ sacks even with a banged up knee and playing the schedule we played.


    JT has not been removed from a game and not returned, and he has not missed a game, the SOLB does not tend to put up gaudy statistics in the first place.



    Eh, who knows what Sparano and Tuna thinks?

    Wake more than likely won't make the transition to Linebacker, he either will remain a nickel passrusher, or be traded to a 4-3 team.
     
  29. Frayser

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    If Wake doesn't make the transition, then who are our OLBs in 2011?
     
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    2011?

    Who knows if there will be a season in 2011? Those labor issues have not went away, people like to ignore them but they are still there.

    As for 2010, your guess is as good as mine, I do know that Wake is still not NFL caliber dropping into coverages:

     
  31. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    I'm not really comfortable ignoring our lack of a future at the most important positions on our defense simply because of a labor dispute.
     
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    Kiper's New Years Eve Update:

    1 Ndamukong Suh
    DT 6-4 300
    Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1

    2 Gerald McCoy
    DT 6-4 297
    Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2

    3 Eric Berry
    DB 5-11 203
    Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3

    4 Jimmy Clausen
    QB 6-3 223
    Analysis: Improved through adversity, has under-center experience. Last week: No. 4

    5 Sam Bradford
    QB 6-4 223
    Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position, is super-accurate. Last week: No. 5

    6 Russell Okung
    OT 6-5 300
    Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blind-side pass-protector. Last week: No. 6

    7 Joe Haden
    CB 5-11 190
    Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 7

    8 Derrick Morgan
    DE 6-4 275
    Analysis: Proven pass-rusher (12.5 sacks this season), stout versus run. Last week: No. 9

    9 Dez Bryant
    WR 6-2 220
    Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 10

    10 Brian Price
    DT 6-2 300
    Analysis: Powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc. Last week: No. 11

    11 Rolando McClain
    LB 6-4 258
    Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 12

    12 Jason Pierre-Paul
    DE 6-5 262
    Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 13

    13 Taylor Mays
    S 6-3 235
    Analysis: Has linebacker size with cornerback speed. Last week: No. 14

    14 C.J. Spiller
    RB 5-11 195
    Analysis: Multitalented, super-fast, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 15

    15 Anthony Davis
    OT 6-6 325
    Analysis: Gifted physically, quick feet and still improving. Last week: NR

    16 Everson Griffen
    DE 6-3 280
    Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: No. 15

    17 Carlos Dunlap
    DE 6-6 290
    Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 16

    18 Dan Williams
    DT 6-3 327
    Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: No. 17

    19 Aaron Hernandez
    TE 6-2 250
    Analysis: Great hands and excellent run-after-catch skills for a TE. Last week: No. 18

    20 Brandon Graham
    DE 6-2 270
    Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 19

    21 Sergio Kindle
    LB 6-4 255
    Analysis: Production finally matches his talent. Last week: No. 21

    22 Jermaine Gresham
    TE 6-6 258
    Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 22

    23 Jerry Hughes
    DE 6-3 257
    Analysis: Prolific pass-rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB. Last week: No. 23

    24 Sean Weatherspoon
    LB 6-2 245
    Analysis: Makes plays all over the field. Last week: No. 24

    25 Patrick Robinson
    CB 5-11 193
    Analysis: Consistent, even in a tough year. Best overall senior CB. Last week: 25
     
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    Scouts Inc Top 32 Update:

    NAME POS HT WT SCHOOL GRADE DRAFTED BY PK(OVR) OVR RANK
    Eric Berry S 5'11¼" 204 Tennessee 97 1
    Ndamukong Suh DT 6'3⅞" 295 Nebraska 97 2
    Gerald McCoy DT 6'3½" 296 Oklahoma 96 3
    Joe Haden CB 5'11⅜" 191 Florida 96 4
    Derrick Morgan DE 6'4" 268 Georgia Tech 96 5
    Rolando McClain ILB 6'3½" 245 Alabama 96 6
    Russell Okung OT 6'8" 299 Oklahoma State 96 7
    Trent Williams OT 6'5" 306 Oklahoma 95 8
    C.J. Spiller RB 5'10¾" 196 Clemson 95 9
    Dez Bryant WR 6'2" 217 Oklahoma State 94 10
    Sam Bradford QB 6'4" 214 Oklahoma 94 11
    Anthony Davis OT 6'5½" 328 Rutgers 94 12
    Earl Thomas S 5'11" 198 Texas 94 13
    Navorro Bowman OLB 6'1½" 231 Penn State 94 14
    Sergio Kindle OLB 6'4" 236 Texas 93 15
    Taylor Mays S 6'3" 236 USC 93 16
    Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6'5½" 263 South Florida 93 17
    Carlos Dunlap DE 6'5¾" 293 Florida 92 18
    Bruce Campbell OT 6'6¼" 312 Maryland 92 19
    Brandon Spikes ILB 6'3" 252 Florida 92 20
    Bruce Carter OLB 6'2¾" 223 North Carolina 92 21
    Jahvid Best RB 5'9¾" 198 California 92 22
    Jermaine Gresham TE 6'6" 262 Oklahoma 92 23
    Patrick Robinson CB 5'11⅛" 192 Florida State 92 24
    Bryan Bulaga OT 6'6" 311 Iowa 91 25
    Golden Tate WR 5'11" 194 Notre Dame 91 26
    Dan Williams DT 6'2" 311 Tennessee 90 27
    Jimmy Clausen QB 6'2¾" 217 Notre Dame 90 28
    Ricky Sapp DE 6'4" 245 Clemson 90 29
    Jonathan Dwyer RB 5'11⅛" 234 Georgia Tech 90 30
    Perrish Cox CB 6'0" 192 Oklahoma State 89 31
    Jared Odrick DT 6'4" 306 Penn State 89 32
     
  34. alen1

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    Fail.

    Suh's badass. He's all bulrush and sometimes won't do a lot of leaning, just pushing but he's still a monster and potential is through the roof.
     
  35. Gunner

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    I think most people outside of McShay feel that way
     
  36. nymike

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    1. St. Louis (1-15)
    2. Detroit (2-14)
    3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
    4. Washington (4-12)
    5. Kansas City (4-12)
    6. Seattle (5-11)
    7. Cleveland (5-11)
    8. Oakland (5-11)
    9. Buffalo (6-10)
    10t. Denver (acquired from Chicago) (7-9)
    10t. Jacksonville (7-9)
    12. Miami (7-9)
    Of the top 10 teams, how many need a QB? By my count, 6, St. Louis, Washington, Seattle, Cleveland, Oakland and Buffalo. Someone is going to get desperate, and overdraft a Jimmy Clausen or Jake Locker, allowing a player that no one expects to be there to drop out of the top 10. Hopefully, that player will be a need position for Miami, say Dez Bryant. Hope it pans out that way.
     
  37. alen1

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    Jake Locker will be absent from this years Draft.

    I think Seattle could go OT before QB. Cleveland, as noted earlier, will likely go pass rusher or quarterback, depending on if Weis is there or not IMO. I don't know about Oakland going quarterback. I can see what you and others may say but this is a team that's selected four quarterbacks in the last forty years and when they fail on a pick, they don't go back to that position. To add, I think they may like what they have seen in Gradkowski. I could see them getting a defensive tackle, an ILB, maybe Carlos Dunlap or even reaching for a guy like Patrick Robinson if he runs well.
     
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  38. texanphinatic

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    Dunlap or Taylor Mays are classic Al Davis athlete picks.

    Seattle is a huge wild card in the first, needing QB, RB, LT and WR. If Bradford and Clausen and Okung are off the board they will take a hard look at Spiller and Bryant.

    Cleveland I think will be looking defense if the QBs are gone. Berry, maybe even the DE Derrick Morgan perhaps. They need to get Shaun Rogers some help up front.
     
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  39. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Forgot about Mays, good call. Even though they did select Mitchell last year and still have Huff, whose played decent thus far.
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    Huff has been a pretty unqualified disappointment.

    I don't see them going Taylor Mays.

    I guiess the only constant is that Al Davis doesn't make sense, but regardless they have Mario Henderson and Cornell Green as their OTs. The Head Coach is an OL coach. He has to be asking for cornerstone at some point.
     

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