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Kiper's 1st 2011 Big Board

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  1. Gunner

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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=5165505


    1 Jake Locker
    QB
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    Analysis: All the physical tools -- size, arm, footwork. Accuracy should improve.

    2 Andrew Luck *
    QB
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    Analysis: Great arm, NFL smarts, solid footwork. Protoypical size and intangibles.

    3 Robert Quinn *
    DE
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    Analysis: Still just 19, freakish athlete; still developing consistency.

    4 A.J. Green *
    WR
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    A analysis: The profile of a No. 1 receiver. Great size and speed, instinctive, great hands.

    5 Adrian Clayborn
    DE
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    Analysis: Most consistent, complete DE here. Solid pass-rusher, steady against run.

    6 Ryan Mallett *
    QB
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    Analysis: Incredible arm, but still a thrower who must develop footwork, accuracy.

    7 Marcel Dareus *
    DE
    6-3
    296

    Analysis: Versatility and explosiveness to be a 3-4 DE or DT in 4-3. Ready to emerge.

    8 Anthony Castonzo
    OT
    6-7
    298

    Analysis: Pro-style offensive tackle with athleticism to deal with varied styles of rush.

    9 Cameron Heyward
    DE
    6-6
    287

    Analysis: Dominant pass-rusher at times, needs to find consistency.

    10 Patrick Peterson *
    CB
    6-1
    211

    Analysis: Safety size with fluidity of a top CB. Polished and confident corner.

    11 Mark Ingram *
    RB
    5-10
    212

    Analysis: Blue-collar runner, explosive after contact. Pro-style workhorse back.

    12 Aaron Williams *
    CB
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    Analysis: Good ball skills, physical and unafraid of tackling. No questions yet on speed.

    13 Marvin Austin
    DT
    6-3
    305

    Analysis: Flashes dominance, but must gain consistency. Ideal 4-3 penetrating tackle.

    14 Jonathan Baldwin *
    WR
    6-5
    225

    Analysis: Height, physical strength and ball skills are there, so is sub-4.5 speed.

    15 Ryan Williams
    RB
    5-10
    207

    Analysis: A TD machine; great quickness, underrated strength. Could be a dynamic back.

    16 Allen Bailey
    DE
    6-4
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    Analysis: Still learning end position, but has ideal size and flashed brilliance here late in 2009.

    17 Julio Jones *
    WR
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    Analysis: Great physical tools; great blocker; questions about his hands and consistency.

    18 Bruce Carter
    OLB
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    Analysis: Smart, reliable OLB in a 4-3 defense. Could add size.

    19 Michael Floyd *
    WR
    6-3
    220

    Analysis: Feared deep threat, best WR on a team with Golden Tate. Expect a big year.

    20 Akeem Ayers *
    OLB
    6-4
    252

    Analysis: Budding star, an absolute physical specimen with ideal size. Ready to break out.

    21 Ras-I Dowling
    CB
    6-2
    200

    Analysis: Experienced, smooth CB; fluid hips. Very well-coached and a proven tackler.

    22 Jurrell Casey *
    DT
    6-1
    295

    Analysis: Penetrating, disruptive force, ideal in a 4-3. Still adding technique.

    23 Prince Amukamara
    CB
    6-1
    200

    Analysis: A physical corner who also supports the run very well. Steady in coverage.

    24 Gabe Carimi
    OT
    6-7
    325

    Analysis: Veteran, blindside blocker. Ideal size, above-average footwork; pro-style system.

    25 Rahim Moore *
    S
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    Analysis: A ballhawk; led the nation in INTs last year. Moves well sideline to sideline.
     
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  2. alen1

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    No love for Jerrell Powe? Amukamara over Dowling? Luck > Locker IMO.
     
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  3. Gunner

    Gunner Rock Hunter

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    If you really want something to complain about ...I can post McShay's first 2011 Mock Draft :lol:
     
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  4. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    :no:

    EDIT: Just out of curiosity, who does he have to Miami?
     
  5. MikeHoncho

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    Relevant to my interests
     
  6. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Is this draft deeper that last years draft?
     
  7. Gunner

    Gunner Rock Hunter

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    He has us picking 18th

    Jeremy Beal, DE/OLB, Oklahoma

    His blurb on him: Beal is an active defensive end with 34.5 tackles for loss and 19.5 sacks the past two seasons. He would fit well as a rush-linebacker in the Dolphins' 3-4 defensive scheme.
     
  8. Gunner

    Gunner Rock Hunter

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    By the way - here is McShay's top 32 list:

    Player Pos. School Grade
    1. Jake Locker QB Washington 95
    2. Robert Quinn* DE N. Carolina 95
    3. Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 95
    4. A.J. Green* WR Georgia 94
    5. Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 94
    6. Andrew Luck* QB Stanford 94
    7. Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia 93
    8. Nate Solder* OT Colorado 93
    9. Allen Bailey DE Miami (FL) 93
    10. Janoris Jenkins CB Florida 92
    11. Mark Herzlich OLB Boston Coll. 92
    12. Ryan Mallett* QB Arkansas 92
    13. Marvin Austin DT N. Carolina 92
    14. Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State 92
    15. Rodney Hudson C Florida State 92
    16. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin 92
    17. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa 91
    18. Travis Lewis* OLB Oklahoma 91
    19. Mark Ingram* RB Alabama 91
    20. Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 91
    21. Patrick Peterson* CB LSU 91
    22. Jared Crick* DT Nebraska 91
    23. Orlando Franklin OT Miami (FL) 91
    24. Ryan Williams* RB Virginia Tech 90
    25. Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 90
    26. Bruce Carter OLB N. Carolina 90
    27. Rahim Moore* S UCLA 90
    28. Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue 90
    29. Brandon Harris* CB Miami (FL) 90
    30. Anthony Castonzo OT Boston Coll. 90
    31. Kyle Rudolph* TE Notre Dame 90
    32. Julio Jones* WR Alabama 90
     
  9. Conuficus

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    Avoid Oklahoma DE's a great deal. Just sayin........that scheme Stoops runs makes these guys look great. Austin English ring a bell?
     
  10. Big E

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    How nice would Ryan Williams be?
     
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  11. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    I watch a lot of CU games as an alum and I really like Nate Solder. He plays left tackle and is around 6'9" and around 315....he probably could add 20 pounds and you wouldn't even notice it on him as he is in great physical shape and doesn't have much body fat. He used to be a tight end and he has quick nimble feet. I know we have Jake Long at LT, but I think Solder could play RT, or either Guard spot. He throws guys around and does a great job protecting the QB and he also opens big holes from running backs. Ras-I Dowling of Virginia is about the only other guy I watch on a weekly basis on McShay's list///he is a really good CB.
     
  12. ToddsPhins

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    I'm hoping he'd pull out my chair for me at breakfast. :shifty:
     
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  13. unifiedtheory

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    I've seen a lot of Jake Locker, am I the only one who does not like the kid as a player? He's super erratic.
     
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    I like him. Guess we'll have to see what this regime does with Ronnie.
     
  15. Stitches

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  16. texanphinatic

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    Hmm I would put DE/OLB a bit low on the list unless the Wake/Misi/Francis trio and Oddrick really struggle through the course of the season.

    Would definitely look for an OL pickup, TE or secondary. I would personally heavily consider one of those top 4 wideouts if we have a shot at one as well - especially if Brian regresses.

    What kind of G/C prospects could go mid/late first? Is Mike P as good as Maurkice?
     
  17. Boomer

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    Mike's a very good G. Not a center. Steve Schilling of Michigan is also a very good G.

    Pernell McPhee of Mississippi State is the best player I've seen so far this season.
     
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  18. Boomer

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    McShay's list is horrible.
     
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  19. Boik14

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    Hes getting hype because the potential is there but mostly because Steve Sarkisian is there coach. Im not sold either. I like Luck much more.

    What else would you expect? :wink2:
     
  20. Boomer

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    To be fair I love Kiper but his list is poor as well. It has players that haven't played in 2010 and players who have started the season poorly: Rahim Moore for example. No Christian Ponder?
     
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  21. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    To be fair, the list is a month old, and came out before any games took place.
     
  22. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Then don't have a list
     
  23. my 2 cents

    my 2 cents Well-Known Member

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    No you are not.......His release point is all over the place, and while his lower body mechanics are decent his arm action is inconsistent, erratic or freakin scrambled eggs, choose your adjective.

    I also disagree with many here because most people including some guys that are damn good at breaking down players do like him.

    He has a wide base on one throw and the next throw will be with a narrow base and open upper body, throws across his body on one throw and totally open the next, throws 3/4 over the top and sidearm, all in the same game..hell probably the same series.............his accuracy is not more than average (somewhere around 53-55% accuracy coming into this year if you consider that "average"), his "standout games" seem to be against inferior teams, he does not throw well inside or when he needs air......but

    he is a top notch athlete, has a excellent arm, good size, a very good "feel" for pressure and can really run.....so he could put it together...

    But all in all his game reminds me of an unmade bed ... scrambled eggs!!!!!

    A lot parts there ...... just not sure what the heck it is in the end.
     
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  24. Boomer

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    I think he needs a lot of coaching. He's not NFL ready, but he has everything.
     
  25. Gunner

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    Kiper's Updated Big Board:


    1 Jake Locker
    QB
    6-3
    226
    Analysis: Has all the physical tools -- size, arm, even speed and improving footwork. Showing improved accuracy. Last week: No. 1

    2 Andrew Luck *
    QB
    6-4
    235
    Analysis: Great arm, NFL smarts, solid footwork. Prototypical size and intangibles. Checks down with a veteran's savvy. Better competition awaits. Last week: No. 2

    3 Robert Quinn *
    DE
    6-4
    267
    Analysis: Quinn is a freakish athlete. He's still developing consistency and is young for his class. Still facing NCAA eligibility issues. Last week: No. 3

    4 A.J. Green *
    WR
    6-4
    207
    Analysis: The profile of a No. 1 receiver at NFL level. Great size-speed combination; instinctive, great hands. Facing NCAA hiccups, but he will be back. Last week: No. 4

    5 Adrian Clayborn
    DE
    6-3
    282
    Analysis: Most consistent, complete defensive end on the board. Solid pass-rusher, steady against run. Fits as a 3-4 or 4-3 end and simply batters linemen. Last week: No. 5

    6 Prince Amukamara
    CB
    6-1
    200
    Analysis: A big corner with a ton of talent. Amukamara has the necessary speed and leads a deep CB class. Big matchups await. Last week: No. 6

    7 Ryan Mallett*
    QB
    6-7
    238
    Analysis: Has an incredible arm but developing footwork and accuracy. Must learn to check down, use underneath options. Volatile stock, but great start. Last week: No. 7

    8 Marcell Dareus *
    DE
    6-3
    303
    Analysis: Has the versatility and explosiveness to be a 3-4 DE or DT in 4-3. He's ready to emerge, surrounded with talent. Back now after two-game suspension. Last week: No. 8

    9 Patrick Peterson *
    CB
    6-1
    211
    Analysis: Safety size with fluidity of a top corner. Maybe the top size-speed combo in this entire class. Now seeing top-end return skills. Last week: No. 9

    10 Anthony Castonzo
    OT
    6-7
    302
    Analysis: Pro-style tackle with athleticism to deal with varied styles of rush. Smart player (up for a Rhodes Scholarship) who could add bulk. Last week: No. 10

    11 Allen Bailey
    DE
    6-4
    288
    Analysis: Still learning end position, building on flashes of brilliance in 2009. Bailey could project as a 3-4 or 4-3 DE. Impressed vs. Ohio State. Last week: No. 14

    12 Mark Ingram *
    RB
    5-10
    212
    Analysis: Blue-collar runner, explosive after contact. Pro-style workhorse back. Lacks top-end speed, but productive. Should be back after small injury. Last week: No. 12

    13 Ryan Kerrigan
    DE
    6-4
    259
    Analysis: Disruptive, relentless pass-rusher with decent power versus the run. Great motor, reminds of Chris Long. Flying up the Board. Last week: No. 17

    14 Ras-I Dowling
    CB
    6-2
    200
    Analysis: Experienced, smooth CB; has fluid hips. In a tight battle with Peterson and Amukamara as top corner in this class. Last week: No. 13

    15 Cameron Heyward
    DE
    6-6
    287
    Analysis: He's more dominant versus the run than the pass and needs to find consistency. Gains points for versatility along the line. Strong vs. Miami. Last week: No. 20

    16 Jon Baldwin *
    WR
    6-5
    225
    Analysis: Height, physical strength and ball skills are there; so is sub-4.5 speed. Goes up for the ball. Miami game offers big stage. Last week: No. 15

    17 Julio Jones *
    WR
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    211
    Analysis: Great physical tools and a fantastic blocker. Some questions about hands and consistency, but his only limit is concentration. Last week: No. 16

    18 Akeem Ayers *
    OLB
    6-4
    252
    Analysis: Budding star, an absolute physical specimen with ideal size. Ready to break out. Cover skills trump pass-rushing skills. Team is struggling. Last week. No. 18

    19 Daniel Thomas
    RB
    6-2
    228
    Analysis: Current growth could have him emerge as top RB in class. Highly productive with great size, quickness. Last week: NR

    20 Nate Solder
    OT
    6-9
    310
    Analysis: A physical specimen, Solder weighs more than 300 pounds with virtually no body fat. Off to bad start, thus the big drop from last week. Last week: No. 11

    21 Ryan Williams *
    RB
    5-10
    207
    Analysis: A TD machine; has great quickness, underrated strength. Off to terrible statistical start, but the skills are there. Last week: No. 21

    22 Michael Floyd *
    WR
    6-3
    220
    Analysis: Feared deep threat, best receiver on a team with Golden Tate last year. He lacks top-end speed, though, and must prove durability. Last week: No. 22

    23 Bruce Carter
    OLB
    6-3
    230
    Analysis: Smart, reliable outside linebacker in a 4-3 defense. Could add size but uses speed to cover entire field. Must learn to shed blocks better. Last week: No. 23

    24 Rahim Moore *
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    6-1
    196
    Analysis: A ball hawk who led the nation in interceptions last season and moves well from sideline to sideline. Must prove physical versus blocks. Last week: No. 24

    25 Marvin Austin
    DT
    6-3
    305
    Analysis: Flashes dominance but must gain consistency. He's an ideal 4-3 penetrating tackle, but his production isn't up to the level of his talent. Last week: No. 25
     
  26. Boomer

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    Surprised Raheem Moore's still there. Seen both of his games this season and he's looked off the pace. Amazed Pernell McPhee isn't in the top 25.
     
  27. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Also interesting that 5 of his top 25 haven't played a down this season.
     
  28. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Interesting on that debate about small, running QB's; the best of the bunch in terms of what it takes to be a pro QB is Russell Wilson of NC State. He has the best accuracy and touch of anyone I've seen this season, even the big time NFL prospects.

    Jake Locker is in NFL meltdown. I watched some of that Nebraska game today and he's falling apart at the seams. 4-20-71 yards.

    Ryan Mallett was pretty impressive today but his lack of dropback and subsequent staring down of receivers would be a concern. But he can flat out sling it.
     
  29. Fin-Omenal

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    Would a franchise honestly invest 50 million dollars on someone who has performed in college like Locker? Obviously his attributes are amazing but seriously he looks bad.

    Jeff Goerge?
     
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  31. Desides

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    I’ll never understand why people considered him #1 overall pick material. Then again, Matt Stafford has that distinction...
     
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  32. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Stafford was the much better prospect IMO. His footwork wasn't as good, but in terms everything outside of mobility there isn't one aspect of Lockers game I like better then Stafford. Stafford produced better in the SEC as well...
     
  33. Nappy Roots

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    Agreed about Wilson, I like him as well. Locker and Ponder have drop significantly for me...
     
  34. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I liked Stafford coming out, I just didn’t like him as the first overall pick. Top 16, sure. #1 overall, no way. Not behind that offensive line.

    Stafford’s already on his, what, third professional injury? The second injury to his shoulder? We made fun of Chad Pennington for less.
     
  35. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. But in this day and age you see almost every QBs go higher then they should. I graded stafford out as a mid 1st, so I would figure him to go that high. Most QBs I grade out as 2nd rounders tended to go in the late first, and 3rd-4th rounders going in the 2nd...

    I still believe Stafford can be a franchise QB, but he needs some help.
     
  36. Boomer

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    I think Ponder can play. He's a good QB, technically solid, fundamentally sound. He goes into a tunnel every now and again but generally he can really play.
     
  37. Boomer

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    I think if you ask Lions watchers, they're pretty happy with the development of Stafford. What they need is better OL play and Jahvid Best to offer that run game.
     
  38. Phinperor

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    Boom, what do you think of RB Ryan Williams?
     
  39. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Good player. Little smaller than Miami like.
     
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    Best had a hell of a game today.
     

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