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Knowshon Moreno to visit Miami

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Mar 20, 2014.

  1. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Knowshon Moreno to visit Dolphins
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...b7168a-b07b-11e3-b8b3-44b1d1cd4c1f_story.html
    Moreno was the 12th overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. he went over a 1000 yards for the Broncos last season. no great speed 4.5 something but can block & catch out of the backfield. he would certainly be better than Thomas, presenting different qualities in the run-game that would compliment Miller.
    the biggest up-side could be we wouldn't have to go after a running back in this years draft or break the bank to acquire one.
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would like the move, he's young, he doesn't dance, he plays with emotion and has a very real love for the game, he caught 60 balls last year, he's got leadership qualities, he can pass protect, lets get him signed and rebuild this running game from scratch..
     
  3. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If the price is right its a good move. I still think we need to draft a RB but Tampa always seemed to find Rbs so maybe we can sign someone like Moreno and draft a Rb in a late round that we can develop too.
     
  4. cdz12250

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    1,547 all purpose yards, 1,039 rushing, 548 receiving and 10 TDs is a hell of an upgrade over Thomas. Of course, that's with Denver's OL and Peyton at QB. DAWN, DO NOT F*** IT UP.
     
  5. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Moreno would be the best RB on the team if signed. He had 2 ugly seasons and still averages 975 total yards and 7 TDs per season so far.
     
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  6. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How much?
     
  7. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Better question, how many games did we lose in 2013 bc we couldn't grind out yards on the ground or stop LBs and safeties from bulldozing our backs and pressuring the QB?
     
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  8. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    Would make RB less of a need and we can do that shotgun method towards the end of the draft that CK's so fond of.
     
  9. Limbo

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    Moreno's one of the best in the League in pass protection, and a very good receiver out of the backfield. Would fill those gaps easily. I don't think he'll see the same success carrying the ball on a non-Peyton offense, but he will certainly be better than what we have right now.
     
  10. padre31

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    Would prefer MJD tbh
     
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  11. MIASportsFan

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    Would like to see it, he is proven. Peyton trusted him in pass protection and in short yardage, exactly what we need. With the additions of Albert, Smith and whoever we draft along with Moreno (if it happens) pass protection wouldn't be nearly the issue it was last year. Moreno, Miller and Gillislee would be a solid trio.
     
  12. NolePhin15

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    Yes please. Sing him then draft a runningback like Devonta Freeman on day 3
     
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  13. Phoenician Fan

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    Is he that good at blocking?? Does anyone know his actual PBE??? and how does he rank in pass protection amongst other RB's in the league who have a reasonable number of snaps??

    His receiving skills are evident.

    For the right price, he could be a very nice pickup for a 3rd down back, but I prefer a more prolific power runner or at least a back with explosive break away speed like Miller to be the feature back.

    Dolphins need to find the next Walter Peyton. This draft is just dismal for RB's IMO.
     
  14. King Felix

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    The next Walter Payton. That shouldn't be too difficult
     
  15. Phoenician Fan

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    I couldn't find anything really authoritative as far as his PBE, one source said something close to 97 which is excellent.

    That was for last year. His first three years in the league he was one of the worst blockers in the league.

    I did see a quote from Elway where he said Moreno was, "tremendous," in pass blocking last year.

    This is a great article on Moreno.http://espn.go.com/blog/denver-broncos/post/_/id/5433/free-agency-spotlight-knowshon-moreno

    His injury history to me says in big bold letters......NOT AN EVERY DOWN BACK!
     
  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    For 2013, PFF has Moreno at 24th in PBE. 80 pass blocking snaps. Allowed 1 sack and 7 total pressures. PBE of 93.1
    They also have Lamar Miller as 14th. 127 pass blocking snaps. Allowed 2 sacks and 7 total pressures. PBE of 95.5

    The best you ask? By far and away it is MJD. He had 110 pass blocking snaps and allowed ZERO pressures of any kind.

    Daniel Thomas pass blocked on over 41% of passing plays in which he was involved which was 2nd in that category. However his PBE was 91.8 and 37th among RB who played in at least 25% of snaps. Allowed 3 sacks and 9 total pressures in 91 pass blocking snaps.
     
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  17. Alex44

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    Too bad we already missed out on Payton Jr
     
  18. SICK

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    Ronnie Brown would be drooling :lol:
     
  19. SICK

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    If they were the same age, I would too......but the upside is more for a much younger Moreno.
     
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  20. Limbo

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    To me pass blocking is as much about timing/feel as it is the actual act of blocking a guy. Moreno is very good at knowing his assignment, checking that he's in the clear so to peak, and then leaking out as a safety valve - hence his 60 catches. He has a very good mix of actual blocking technique and an understanding of his role as a play unfolds. Miller holds up allright when engaged but lacks the play recognition and savvy that Moreno showed last year that made him a multiple threat (and fantasy PPR stud, of course).

    This PBE stat does not account for the times where a RB takes on his blocking duties and then successfully extends himself as a checkdown target. It's plays like these that make Elway say he's 'tremendous' in pass pro, imo.
     
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  21. blackshirts40

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    I 100% agree with this statement. Moreno has tremendous upside in that he is only 26 years old - as stated, he has had a few bad seasons but I believe his few good ones far and away make up for that. He's proven, where as any other option outside of Blount, is either too young to know for sure or too old (MJD) to know how long they will last.

    On another note, Moreno could provide a leadership role to a young back since he truly does possess passion and leadership characteristics - this fits the culture of a Miami team looking to establish their new identity. If we sign Moreno, I think a RB still needs to be a priority in the draft depending on the dollar figures. This way, Moreno could help develop the rookie and we could potentially have a stud RB for years to come. I don't hate Miller, but unfortunately the play against Cincy where he had horrible field vision and was stripped for a fumble sticks in my mind - along with numerous other occasions where he failed to run the right hole and/or make the right cuts. I just don't think there's much of a future for him. Thomas has just had his chances - he's a bust and that's all there is to it.

    Bottom line - sign Moreno or Blount - they're proven guys who can get the job done.
     
  22. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Git 'er done Hickey.
     
  23. Nappy Roots

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    With the pricing on running backs right now. I hope we sign him. Him and Miller would work good together and he shouldn't cost a bunch.
     
  24. Shamboubou

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    I like him as a playing and I like his skills. I wonder about his durability. I think he has all the tools though, if he can stay healthy I really like the signing. I also want to say that I would like to see Miller used the right way and behind a half way decent O-Line. If he is used the right way he could really thrive here, its like using Reggie Bush between the tackles, yeah he can do it, but look what he can do when you use him the right way.
     
  25. slickj101

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    Get it done.

    This will be the rare move that helps both my real and fantasy teams.
     
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  26. You should go back and watch two of his worst games now, so you get a feel for his weaknesses. Then you can temper your opinion.
     
  27. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B69YDdXsYpo

    Agree with all points. He blocks like a man, he isn't trying to chip guys to slow them down. He squares them up to stop them.
    Combine that with his hands and you can't say enough about how much he can help Ryan Tannenhill.

    Ideal pairing with Miller and would give Hickey even more flexibility to pick BPA at the draft.

    3 years 11-12 Million range. I'd support that move.
     
  28. the 23rd

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    it would also allow us to pick up a real FB & lead blocker with all the trimmings somewhere in the middle rounds Trey Millard, FB - OK http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=110479&draftyear=2014&genpos=FB to put the finishing touches on the run game.
     
  29. MikeHoncho

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    Yes please.
     
  30. 77FinFan

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    I said last year repeatedly that I thought our O line might be okay if we had a good blocking TE and a RB that could at least chip or outright blocks a rusher. This could be nice. And reasonable.


    If we get him he'll be just like Marshall Faulk. :wink2:
     
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  31. Desides

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    Upside? He's already hit his ceiling, and it's all downhill from here now that he has tread on the tires. He should be a good, consistent player for a few more years, but it's not like he's going to improve--so I'm not sure what upside he has.
     
  32. slickj101

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    Vs MJD his upside is way less tread on the tires, fewer injuries and still playing at a higher level.
     
  33. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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  34. Desides

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    That's not upside, that's a contrast.

    Upside means that a player has untapped potential (usually physical) or exhibits generally underutilized skills. That doesn't describe Moreno.
     
  35. SICK

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    What Slick said. Hes younger, we will get more out of Moreno than MJD.
     
  36. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Ya, obviously it's a contrast since he's comparing Moreno to MJD.

    Upside as in an upward trend meaning Moreno can still play at a high level like last season. As opposed to MJD who's probably only going downhill from here.
     
  37. Desides

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    Like I said, this is not correct use of the term.

    The correct cliche is "Moreno has more left in the tank."
     
  38. slickj101

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    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/upside
     
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  39. Fineas

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    Not sure I understand your pickiness with the terminology. He's a 26-yr old guy coming off his best season. Some of that may be due to Manning and that passing game, but it certainly can't be said conclusively that he can't improve. If he can, he has some more upside. Even if he remains the same player, but is just used more for the things he does well it qualifies as upside. I see some parallels with Garrison Hearst (coincidentally another Georgia back) -- Hearst had some injuries his first few years, teetered around 1000 rushing yards for a few seasons before busting out at age 27 with a 1570 yd rushing season on a 5.1 ypc and 500+ receiving yards. I think it would have been perfectly accurate to say Hearst had some remaining upside before that season.
     
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  40. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Ya I don't see the point in nit-picking terminology but I think we can all agree Moreno has the potential to produce well in our kind of offense.

    He reminds me a lot of Ronnie Brown but a little quicker and slightly less vision running through the tackles.
     

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