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Kyler murray to enter draft/Take or not take?

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by pumpdogs, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Well-Known Member

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    I haven't watched any film on Kyler, but the first thing I would look at is his pocket awareness. If he's clueless then I would say we shouldn't bother ( I would say the same thing about any QB we could draft, even those that fit the physical prototype). However, if he is like Mahomes and can see the rush and move accordingly then I think he has a chance.
     
  2. Miamiforlife

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    Kyler is like wilson with a turbo button.
    He seems a lot faster than mahomes.
     
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  3. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Well-Known Member

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    I know its not the best evaluation, but I just went on youtube to watch a little bit of Murray. I like that he has decent vision and quickness. When he runs he is a threat to score, but he also seems to sense when to slide and get down. He has accuracy, a very quick release, and nice touch on his passes. Of course I am concerned about his size. One big hit and it could be all over. I also don't know if he can read defenses. That said, if he is there I say, why the hell not? I want to watch some exciting Dolphins football for change. He is as fast a Jackson, but can actually throw the ball. We just need to make sure we have a legitimate backup plan with a decent QB in the wings in case he goes down for a couple of games. How would a QB room of Murray and Foles as backup sound? What if we drafted 2 QB's?
     
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  4. Miamiforlife

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    Other opinions are not allowed i guess?
    He is a stud. But still has a harder time at qb than the taller mobile qbs.
     
  5. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    You can have an opinion, and it can be bad. Carry on.
     
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  6. Miamiforlife

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    Lol. Thats good. Just to be clear. I actually like Russell Wilson. He is as good as he can be for his size. Imo. That ball he throws up a mile and it lands right in the receivers bread basket and the defender is playing tight and still cant stop it. Is a thing of beauty. But his size really sucks when a good defense keeps him in the pocket. Then he can’t see anybody. Where as a taller qb has that one advantage. And its a big one. Size does matter no matter what the old lady says. Lol.
     
  7. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    All things being equal, yeah size is nice. I would not let a lack of size turn us away from an otherwise great prospect though - any QB will have weaknesses, and any good OC will scheme away from it while a good DC will scheme to it. Wilson is a gamer and a playmaker. His size is rarely a limiting factor.

    If the scouting staff and Grier don't have a top grade on Murray, then that's their call I suppose. But I think just hyper-focusing on size lands you in trouble as much as discounting people because of it. Take the individual, not their height and weight. :up:
     
  8. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Well at the end of the day if you could have a 6'4 Russell Wilson or a current sized one, you'd take the 6'4 one every time.

    I don't think size is an unbreakable barrier but at the same time you have to have skills that make up for that disadvantage.

    Wilson is a very good QB despite his size but some people (not you) seem to want to throw out size entirely.
     
  9. Galant

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    He's a kid, but I don't think this interview did him any favours. If I were an NFL GM my bigger concern would be his commitment rather than his height.

     
  10. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  12. djphinfan

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    Me Likey:)
     
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  13. ripper1961

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    If we take another QB in 2020 I would be for it. I just am concerned about the height.
     
  14. Brasfin

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    Take, but don’t mortgage the future for him. I probably wouldn’t be willing to give up more than 2 first rounders for him. 2 firsts (this year and next year or 2021) and maybe a 2nd would be my ceiling.
     
  15. Dorfdad

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    Man id be all over this, we don't have a franchise quarterback and with a team needing a spark this kid definitely brings this. Yeah hes smaller, but so was Doug flutie, Drew Brees, and Russel Wilson, and even Fran Tarkenten. The kid is exciting to watch and will fill some seats. He has a good arm and makes play happen with his feat! Not sure what we would have to give up but I would not be against this move!

    We could use some FUN games in Miami again!
     
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  16. Fame

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    We're five minutes into this rebuild and you guys just went from six to midnight over a 5'8 QB.
     
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  17. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Yes...definitely....This whole process should start with finding a franchise level quarterback at all costs. I realize that a lot of you want to tank through a season and go 2-14 for a chance at....I don't know...Justin Herbert, and that may very well happen anyway. However....We need to draft a quarterback and continue to do so until we find the right one to lead this team back to relevance. I realize that building the same trenches that we have been trying to build since oh....2003 is still a priority for most of us (it is for me as well), but again...If we have an opportunity to draft Kyler Murray, we need to do it. Once you find a franchise quarterback, all the other things seem to find a way of working themselves out. A franchise quarterback makes everybody on the team better on both sides of the ball. I believe Murray is going to be electric box office material in the NFL. Same impact that Russell Wilson, Doug Flutie, and Deshaun Watson have had. We can win with him and this team can go places. If he does fail, you draft another one.
     
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  18. Striking

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    No. 1st round is too high and that's where he will be drafted
     
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  19. Miamiforlife

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    I don’t even want him on the team. Rg3 anyone? Too fragile. So say he comes in and is tearing it up. Week 8. We are 6-2 or better. Week nine. Up by 15 in the third quarter. Big hit. He is out for the year. We win 2 more games on guts. Then we’re 8-8 again. And out of position for a top qb again. Thats if he can actually ball out in the nfl. To much of a gamble for me. Russell. Flutie. Tarkington. Are a combined 1-6 in superbowls. The superbowl teams all had legendary defenses. Brees is 6-1. So not under six like the others. Strong pass for me.
     
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  20. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    If he is there at 13, pull the trigger. Take talent.
     
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  21. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Just a Guy Staff Member Club Member

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    Hard pass.
     
  22. TheHighExhaulted

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  23. WestCoast Phins

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    And Although the article states that he is going to the NFL and passing on baseball, how can we be absolutely sure this is not a tactic to avoid the A's rights to him. I believe that in two years, he would be a free agent in MLB. Will he then return to baseball or play both? Not sure I would want a dual playing QB. Outside this, I would give him a chance based on his skill level.
     
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  24. Rock Sexton

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    The height thing is a complete non-factor to me. If this were 1988 then I could understand it. The kid showed up in games featuring NFL-caliber offensive and defensive lineman.

    Today's NFL has specifically configured the game to be easier on QB's, especially in regards to how they can be hit. Then you have RPO's, spreads, and horizontal concepts allowing playmakers like Murray to move a pocket and create their own passing lanes. We've seen what it's like having to build an O-line around a laterally stiff QB. It's an endless endeavor.

    This kid has a solid frame and he will only add to it in the NFL.
     
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  25. Rock Sexton

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    I can't even wrap my head around how bad that comparison is.
     
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  26. Tin Indian

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    If he falls to us I'd take a chance but I don't think i'd make a move up the board to grab him. If he doesn't work out after two years we'd be in position to draft Lawrence in 2020.

    I still think I'm more inclined to grab Easton Stuck in the later rounds while trying to grab the best interior Olinemen and Dlinemen I could get.
     
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  27. Sceeto

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    I agree with you here, Rock, especially how the NFL is changing and it's not like Oklahoma is known for having small, short offensive linemen.
     
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  28. Rock Sexton

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    Btw funny story to share.

    I was in the crossfire of a debate with Mike Jurecki - who's one of the radio mouth pieces of the Arizona Cardinals. The guy literally jumped down my throat because of my mention of Klingsbury's comments a while back regarding Kyler. He started lecturing me that there was no chance the Cardinals would quit on Rosen.
     
  29. Rock Sexton

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    Exactly. I went back and edited my comment a few minutes ago and said the same thing - both about playing behind big O-lineman, as well as vs. big defensive lineman.
     
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  30. Sceeto

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    Yes, it's a highlight video, but there are some extremely impressive plays here. How's that first play for avoiding pressure?...and man, he really throws some great deep passes.

     
  31. mlb1399

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    I say pass
     
  32. Unlucky 13

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    As a WVU fan who watched White play for four years on my side, and then watched Murray on the enemy sideline, it was the first thing that sprung to my mind as well. Murray is a more natural, agile runner though. Whereas Pat was fast, but not smooth - kind of like pre-injury Tannehill.

    As I said, I want absolutely no part of the style of offense that Murray would be forced to run as QB. I hate it. But I do think that he could make a good slot WR if he wanted to. White was just never suited to play in the NFL at all.
     
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  33. Pauly

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    I kind of get the feeling this is going to be like the talk of Baker Mayfield dropping to the phins last year. I think he’ll end up going before we get a chance to pull the trigger.
     
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  34. Unlucky 13

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    I hope so! The fighting here will be less severe.
     
  35. Galant

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    You can't sacrifice the 2020 draft to get him. So if he's there, and if Grier thinks he has a shot, try it. If it turns out he's amazing, great. But still grab a QB in 2020. If you get two great qb's then you'll have one great qb and a lot of ammunition to trade. If you have one, it was worth it. If you don't get either then you'll still be looking and no other picks would have mattered .

    We're essentially playing hunt the franchise QB.

    Of course, the alternative is for Grier to find QB gold in the later rounds, but I can't lay claim to any great knowledge about anyone like that right now. If I could I'd be looking for a career in NFL scouting. :)
     
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  36. Surfs Up 99

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    On 3YPC they mentioned a very slight possibility that because of Klingsbury the Cardinals might choose to trade Rosen and draft Murray.

    Would any here give up a 1st for Rosen and be happy with him as our new QB?
     
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  37. JJ_79

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    If he is there at 13, I would take him. Not sure if I would trade up big for him to get him.
     
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  38. Pauly

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    Ummm, going through Rosen’s stats he put up worse numbers than Tannehill did as a rookie on basically every major QB measurement except TD%, and that’s before you adjust for era.

    I’m not sure how bad Rosen’s supporting cast was vis-a-vis Tannehill’s rookie campaign but if Tannehill isn’t the answer why would we replace him with someone who did worse. Maybe one of the guys who is expert at film analysis could change my mind, but the numbers scare me.
     
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  39. The_Dark_Knight

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    This draft doesn't have any QB's worth trading up for.
     

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