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Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by pumpdogs, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:47 AM.
It's not an official declaration, so bear that in mind. He can still choose to pursue baseball if he wants. If he does declare, then he would go within the top 5 picks. The Phins have no shot unless they want to give up an entire draft board to move up or trade Xavien Howard.
I have a feeling Howard will get traded regardless.
This has disaster written all over it.
Not only could I see us drafting him, but I could see it blowing up in our faces.
If available to us, we should absolutely do it.
What intrigues me is the link between new Cardinals HC Kingsbury and Murray. Could something brew that shakes Josh Rosen loose?
Either way, it adds some much needed depth to the QB position - either as a guy for us to consider or for someone else to take and push other guys down.
What if they offer Rosen? Obviously, the Cards would have him ranked below Murray to trade him, but what about the other guys?
Even though I personally think he's worth the #1 pick, I doubt he goes top 5. Too many teams in the top 5 need defensive help and there are some great defensive prospects. GM's are old school in that they will concentrate on his height.
At least I hope because Miami should do everything they can to get this kid.
First and foremost, Murray is not just small; he is tiny. Baker Mayfield (critiqued for his size) just posted a picture the other day of himself and Kyler Murray standing next to each other. My jaw dropped when I saw just how little he was. This really has the makings of a better version of Pat White. Now, I know and agree that Murray is significantly more accurate than White, but I ask you to rewatch the Steelers' game where he got lit up. I fundamentally wonder if his body could handle the hits of some of these freakier DEs/LBs that will inevitably happen with QBs.
Secondly and most importantly, the dude has options. This is great for him but horrible for us.
Imagine if he gets brought in and his first year the coach does not think he is ready to start, but he does. He could easily give the team the ultimatum to start him or he'll play baseball. On the flip side, if we drafted Haskins or Lock or Grier, and the coach said that he is not ready, they really can't do anything about it.
What if he has a Josh Rosen type year, and says football is too hard and goes back to baseball? It's possible.
What if he comes in and after a while says that our roster/line/WRs aren't good, and decides that they are making him look bad? Maybe he goes back to baseball.
What if he doesn't like/agree with/get along with our new coach? Maybe he opts to play baseball.
I mean, realistically, he could enter the draft and say, if I don't get draft by pick X, I am going to play baseball. He could flat out tell teams that he won't play for them, and if they draft him, he will not report to camp.
When drafting a QB it needs to be like a marriage. I think that drafting Murray is more like dating.
There is not ONE thing similar between White and Murray other than their race...lol.
The reason White was crushed was because he was crushed. If Mayfield took that shot he would have been crushed.
Give Murray another 2" and he's the consensus #1 pick in this draft. Are you willing to give up that level of talent over 2"? I'm not.
And 2" will NOT protect a QB from vicious hits. Hits that are less and less common in today's NFL mind you.
Murray is a rare talent. If the Dolphins pass him up it will be a bigger mistake than when they passed over Brees for Culpepper.
If you compare Murray to Pat White you’ve never seen Murray play or his body. Does Murray need to continue to put on weight? Sure. He’s a f’n sophomore though. Murray has a very solid base. As a baseball guy I’ve broken down his baseball film quite a bit. He’s built very solid. Russell Wilson was 5’10 5/8 and 204. He’s probably going to come in SLIGHTLY SLIGHTLY smaller.
If Murray gives the ultimatum, if I don’t get picked top 10 I’m going to play baseball, then you simply don’t take him at 13. It’s not hard. There will be perimeters and that’s fine.
Murray is the truth.
Also, if he chooses football, the only reason he would go back to baseball is if he can't play QB in this league. And if that's the case, so what? let him go back to baseball.
I just highly doubt he would fail in the NFL.
Exactly! I was enamored with Wilson coming out. I said if he was 6’1 he’d be the #1 pick. I said I’d take him in the 3rd. As did the NFL teams. I screwed up. So did the nfl. It won’t happen again with talents like Wilson or Murray. These aren’t small running QBs. They are small elite throwers that are elite athletes also. Big difference!
I'm so damn excited that there is a good chance he enters the draft.
This kid is special. He's a combination of Brees and Wilson.....He's fantastic.
Yep! Smart, athletic, fantastic arm.....A playmaker!!
One good quarterback under 5’11”.
And you think you’ve found the second?
Well if we get him. I hope you guys are right?
This type of thinking is why there aren't more short QB's in the NFL. I mean, it's not like at OK, or any of the teams they played, have 150lb lineman or DB's who are slow and lumbering. P5 QB's are playing against NFL quality opponents each week.
Murray is a once in a generational talent.
One of the problems is that not many get chances.
Fans after Doug Williams wins a superbowl....."One good black QB and you think youve found a second?"
These two scenarios are not all that different. The perception of "ideal" gets proven wrong every day, in every aspect of life, including the NFL.
Ya there are short qbs being held back?
Seemed like manziel got a shot? And he sucked. I will have to agree to disagree.
These are different. One is based on hate and ignorance. The other is based on performance. In today’s day and age. I want to believe if you are good. You will play. No tinfoil hat chit. They are out to get the short people? Come on?
Manziel got a shot?
So then show us the short QBs that have had poor performance?
Manziel admitted he played play ground ball and didn't study film. He also was an insane party animal. His stature literally had 0 to do with his lack of success in the NFL. Next? Who else you got?
I'm not sold. If you can get him in the second round or trade back in the first, then okay.
If they can get him in the first without moving up then I'll understand but won't agree.
They should NOT move up to get him.
No one is a sure thing. Murray is the closest to a sure thing that I have ever seen. Now, I'm not some tape hound who studies players day and night, but I watch film and follow certain players that intrigue me. I have never been as impressed by any player I've ever watched like I have been with Murray. That probably means little in the real world, but i think this kid is extremely special.
I've said it before, but Murray is a combination of Drew Brees and Russell Wilson.