Landry Hospitalised Williams :(

"danmarino wrote:

Textbook block.

If the player hadn't of fell to the ground in agony I bet no flag would have been thrown.

I hope he recovers 100%, but that's football.

How the **** is launching for a head shot "textbook" blocking? That's not even close to textbook. Textbook blocking involves keeping both feet on the ground... Hence the ****ing penalty...

That's like saying safeties/LB's leading with their helmets into receivers is textbook tackling... It's not.

"DolphinGreg wrote:

To me, that's the kind of "football" that I think is for idiots. A player doesn't need to be de-cleated to be effectively blocked. I will never understand why some people feel those plays are exciting. To me, it's gruesome. Jesus, you could break someone's neck doing that, and a broken neck isn't a broken hand or a broken leg.

To me, that kind of hit is all risk and no reward. Just block the guy. Why blow him up? It just doesn't make any sense.

That's just not the kind of thing I want to see on any NFL field and certainly not from a Miami Dolphin. I like the comments from Landry but damn dude--not cool. Not cool at all. This is the kind of attitude that the NFL is up against though. It's going to take a long time before player's realize how f'ing stupid this stuff is.

Sad thing is, it's a generational thing with fans too. Older fans love it. I bet not anyone under 30 was thinking "great hit!" If they were, shame on them. F that.

Well said, I have mixed emotions over the play. In the game thread, I cursed him for hurting the team again. It's an unsafe play, but it's also a play that shows the roots of the game. It's a physical game. You want to be physical and dominate the other team. That's clearly been the objective for this team the past two weeks. I don't think it was a headshot though. It looks more like shoulder to shoulder to me. However, he does go high. I'd like to know if there were some interactions between Williams and Landry prior to that play.

It's an unsafe play though. He could have just blocked him normally, sure, but again, that goes against the toughness of the game thing... At some point though, he's got to realize that he's clearly got a target on his back by officials. It's time to just calm down, play physical, but play technically sound football. Have fun, enjoy your success, but be respectful about it. We can all look at spinning the ball and say... that's a terrible call! Sure, but who knows what he said to the sidelines? Anybody? Nope. You dont. He's barking at them though, he probably said something that warranted the flag. We'll never know, but he clearly runs his mouth an awful lot out there.

As for Williams... Obviously I hope he's going to be ok ultimately. Never want to see a guy hurt like that. It's brutal. Williams though... you've got to be aware of your surroundings. I'm in no way blaming him for what happened, but you've got to be aware, he's out there running around carefree. Probably because these guys feel so protected now.

Bottom line, I just wish it didn't happen. Hopefully Landry can get his emotions in check, or Gase can get him to. He's so talented. He can be as fired up, and physical as he wants. Just... don't cross the lines man. Don't do stupid things. Don't say stupid things on the field to get yourself in in a position to be flagged. Just... play the game. Play it the way you do, because he's so good. You can have that edge to you... just don't cross that line. It shouldnt be that difficult.

I'd be shocked though if he doesnt see some sort of discipline.

He lead with his shoulder which was good but he kind of launched himself. That's why the flag was thrown and I agree with the call. Landry's fire and toughness is admirable but I'd like to see him dial it down a bit so he doesn't get himself or the team in trouble. Be physical. Be tough. But be smart.

My thoughts and prayers are with Aaron Williams. I hope it all turns out good for him.

With that all being said, I love the new attitude and physicality we're bringing. Feels good to bully the Bills and turn the tables. It's about time! Don't come into our house and think you're not going to get a fight. It's a new era.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

He lead with his shoulder which was good but he kind of launched himself. That's why the flag was thrown and I agree with the call. Landry's fire and toughness is admirable but I'd like to see him dial it down a bit so he doesn't get himself or the team in trouble. Be physical. Be tough. But be smart.

My thoughts and prayers are with Aaron Williams. I hope it all turns out good for him.

With that all being said, I love the new attitude and physicality we're bringing. Feels good to bully the Bills and turn the tables. It's about time! Don't come into our house and think you're not going to get a fight.

See, that's the thing. I watch the play, and I go, ok, nice physical block Landry.

But when you slow it down... I think you see the problem with the hit. It's not that it's a head shot, because I don't think it is. It looks shoulder to shoulder/chest to me. The problem is how Landry launches himself upwards, and into Williams up high. In a split second like that for the officials, they're going to call that all day long because it looks like a head shot. The way Landry launches himself, makes it look that way too. I'd be willing to bet, if he doesnt launch upwards into Williams up high like that and just drives forward into him without that "launch" or intent on a punishing blow, just plays Williams' body level on the play, they don't call it, and Williams likely isn't in the hospital.

I think people already forgot Tony Bua's block. Landry's was no different. For those saying it's a crack back block, it was not. Crack back blocks are below the waist.

I'm OK with it. If it's the other way around and Landry gets hit the same way on a slant, it'd be legal.

I think the bigger issue is Williams plays like an absolute idiot on the play. He's the safety. He can absolutely see where Landry is on the play. In fact, given hes our best wr, i bet he purposely looked to see ehere #14 was before the play started. Once he recognizes it's a run, he should be ready for a block. Yet he basically allows himself to get blindsided...how?

if lundry is going high, why did he hit him in the chest with his shoulder? He isn't that awful of a player to miss that terribly if he was trying to go high.

Legal hit that the refs overreacted on.

"Clark Kent wrote:

So much this. The ONLY reason for that kind of head shot, is the willful decision to hurt your opponent. As you say, he could of thrown a perfectly clean block into his chest. He didn't have to charge up, leave his feet, and launch himself into his chest either. Simply get into position, stand his ground, and make contact to disrupt/stop his progress. What Landry did was dirty as ****, IMO. That block was meant to devastate. And it did. It's crazy to me that NFL players don't look out for each other, knowing how fragile their bodies are. Knowing about the consequences of concussions and other various injuries. They're so quick to point the finger at the NFL for not protecting them, but they refuse to protect each other.

Hope Aaron Williams is OK.

I disagree 100%.

Not a hit to the head.

Didn't leave his feet.

Not dirty.

Not trying to injury.

IMO, the only reason a flag was thrown was because Williams went down. If Williams had slipped the block or if Landry had glanced off of him, no flag.

He did get about 3 inches off the ground, so I guess technically, he left his feet.

I think this is mostly overreaction because Williams got hurt.

Whatever kind of block that you want to call it, and regardless of whether it was technically illegal, it was dirty and uncalled for. If it was legal before, it needs to not be legal now. It serves no purpose other than to hurt people. He likely could have shoved him to the ground easily just using his arms. I don't want the other team doing that to our players, and ours don't need to do it to them.

I was honestly scared for the player as he was laying on the field thrashing. He looked as if he suffered something far worse than what you'd normally consider a football injury. Its one thing for a guy to hurt their ankle, knee or shoulder. You don't want someone being hurt in a way that effects their life off the field. Based on his history, I hope for his sake that he decides to step away and not play again, for his own good.

Reports are he got an precautionary MRI and went home with the team. He had a mouth full of blood after the hit. Landry lead with his shoulder but needed to come down on the hit.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Whatever kind of block that you want to call it, and regardless of whether it was technically illegal, it was dirty and uncalled for. If it was legal before, it needs to not be legal now. It serves no purpose other than to hurt people. He likely could have shoved him to the ground easily just using his arms. I don't want the other team doing that to our players, and ours don't need to do it to them.

I was honestly scared for the player as he was laying on the field thrashing. He looked as if he suffered something far worse than what you'd normally consider a football injury. Its one thing for a guy to hurt their ankle, knee or shoulder. You don't want someone being hurt in a way that effects their life off the field. Based on his history, I hope for his sake that he decides to step away and not play again, for his own good.

I disagree. This was a hard hit. It was a shoulder to chest hit. Williams has a history of a neck injury. Maybe that's why this hurt him so bad? 99% of the time this type of block shakes a player up, but they come back the next play or two. And when they do they play a little slower due to being scared.

Dirty play by a guy that consistently plays on the edge. He's a hot head on the field, tho not quite at the level of his former teammate in NY.

He cracked back, launched and hit the defender in the head. Pretty much checks all the boxes.

He's a really good player. Needs to reign it in. That was his second personal foul of the game. Knocked us out of the redzone

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The result was unfortunate but that's a football play all around. The rule against launching is for defenseless players. Wasn't a crack back because it was above the waist and wasn't a blindside hit because Williams was taking the angle where he probably would've made the stop and Jarvis came from the front. He gets his head around late and couldn't brace for the hit. If this was a special teams play it wouldn't have even been flagged.

Jarvis is going to get fined because of league politics but anything more than that would be egregious.
I also find it ridiculous that some of you want to bench our best receiver I guess you don't like winning games.

If Landry gets a fine or a suspension it's ****ing bull****.

Especially when this douche effectively ended a carreer with no flag, no fine and no suspension whatsoever, in PRESEASON no less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPHDtUFSIuQ

Williams is ok,travelled back with the team.

"resnor wrote:

It may have been high...but it wasn't a blindside hit, Williams was looking right at him.

He was following the ballcarrier and didn't see Landry until a millisecond before the hit. That's why these hits are illegal now.

It was a cheap shot. Plain and simple. Was it malicious? Naw, I don't think so. But it's still illegal and ill advised. Landry knows he is not looking at him.

This shot shows it best as it seems to be normal speed (earlier one in the OP seems slowed down). The second shot is from behind and you see where his head is pointed and how fast he was hit.

https://twitter.com/SportsTakeJames/status/790260929816567808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

"danmarino wrote:

I disagree 100%.

Not a hit to the head.

Didn't leave his feet.

Not dirty.

Not trying to injury.

IMO, the only reason a flag was thrown was because Williams went down. If Williams had slipped the block or if Landry had glanced off of him, no flag.

Umm, left his feet. And a direct hit to the head.

Just looked it up. This was a crackback block. Now, it used to be, crackback blocks were only illegal if the contact was below the waist. They added to the rule, and now crackback blocks are illegal if below the waist, AND also:

1 - forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him

2 - lowering the head and making forcible contact with the crown or ”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body

3 - illegally launching into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (i) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (ii) uses any part of his helmet to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body. (This does not apply to contact against a runner, unless the runner is still considered to be a defenseless player, as defined in Article 7.)

Doesn't appear to be an illegal launch because Landry doesn't use his helmet. You're allowed to leave the feet if you don't use your helmet.

But the first one, says using any part of your body to hit their head. And Landry clearly hits his head. And the player is a defenseless player because this is a crack back.

A player who is protected from an illegal crackback block (see Article 2)

http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2016-nfl-rulebook/#article-7.-players-in-a-defenseless-posture

He didn't have to do that to effectively block williams out of the play. i don't think it was malicious, just not a wise decision on landry's part. good to hear williams was able to fly home with the team.

Wanna say a small receiver tried to make a play for his team against a guy that has to have 75-100 lbs on him. He didnt launch in to the head but he may have been able to do iy better but we're talk split seconds to make a choice

I still think Landry isn't 100% comfortable, yet, with the blocking required of him. I think he's conscious of that, and that's he's a smaller guy and so rather than block badly he went over the top. If I remember rightly he also did a poor job on a block last week - if so that might have been running around his brain.
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Sucks for him but the hit wasn't dirty...maybe if he kept his head up and was aware he wouldn't be lit up like that. Some people are just weak.

Jarvis has to realize that both and OBJ are being looked at by the refs. He needs to keep some of that energy inside