Arguable, the first blitz was 5 on 5 that was not read, the second sack was JJerry simply whiffing on the block, he tried a punch tech and the DT just steamrolled him

 

I don't know what happened, but that was the third game (Baltimore and Buffalo) that essentially ended the exact same way, with huge pressure destroying the right side of the OL after they'd looked pretty good for a while before that.

Whats the opposite of clutch? Because that's exactly what this offense is.

 

Its pretty simple. Our offensive line sucks, you don't need to over analyze things, we have one of the worst lines ever fielded in the history of the league. We had the worst rushing game in the history of the franchise. Our offensive line is the worst one we've ever had.

 

I timed the 2 blitzes at the end. Keep in mind 3 seconds is the norm for a QB to take his drop, find an open WR and get rid of the ball.

First sack, the defender was on him in 2.6 seconds

Second sack was 2.1. He didn't even complete his 3 step drop before he was hit. It's ridiculous.

Unacceptable line play. It's a joke.

 

no different than the running game. what was the stat, 11/14 times the RB was met in the backfield last night? it reflects how well Tannehill played at the end of the 1st half when he completed 11 in a row. defenders were in the backfield all night.

 

No other way to put it, to me, they have -0- to lose by simply making wholesale changes in season, as arguably, McKinnie and Garner are better players then they guys they have stuck with all season.

What really bothers me is they also do not appear to know their assignments, let alone actually carrying them out, holy crap Turner or Sherman or Tannehill (calling protections), someone is not doing it right.

 

We don't have a 3 down back capable of picking up the blitz either. There are some things we can do, rollouts, etc but we can only mask how putrid the line is so much. Its so bad we simply cannot have a consistent offense. Its inexcusable how bad this line is.

 

They had called deeper routes, they took to much time to develop.

 

A play cannot be set up in less than a second.

 

This is huge.

 

I think that it would be VERY wise next offseason to replace Thomas with a veteran 3rd down back. The kind of player that teams like the Patriots and Steelers have been winning with for years.

 

i find it really difficult to place any blame on Tannehill right now. we need to put him behind a line that can actually function and give him adequate time. than if he struggles we can start to point out his flaws.

 

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Without the benefit of rewatching, I recall Miller picking a blitzing LB up at least twice, he may have missed on others but as far as I remember the sacks were on the OL in this game and not the RB's.

 

I think youre trying way too hard to place blame on Tannehill. And in those circumstances, a play call with shallow routes would be absolutely useless.

 

I wonder..if Tannehill actually manages to survive the season...with a better oline and clean pocket to throw from..hes gonna feel like he has all afternoon. Could this season actually help in some ways?

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My initial take on it was that on the first sack he had time to sense the pressure and get the football out, but that he had to keep his eyes up the field because of the situation and he ended up taking the sack because of it. He's got to sense that blitz coming as they rushed two extra guys on the play, and he's got to know the football has to come out. I think a lot of sacks have been put on him this year that weren't necessarily his fault, but this one I kind of put right on him. He's got to get the ball out.

Though the sack was costly, it was not game killing. If you recall, during his final hero drive of the Cincinnati game before overtime, his first play of the drive (1:18 remaining and zero timeouts) was a sack on 1st & 10. He recovered from it easily, got the football down the field and put us in position to tie the game and go into overtime.

This situation was tame by comparison, as Tannehill had 2 minutes remaining and all three timeouts. So that first sack while costly was not a situation where he was in "don't get sacked at any cost" mode.

What REALLY killed us was the second sack on 2nd & 18. And that had nothing to do with Ryan Tannehill. That was the sack that looked like a scene from The Walking Dead. A bunch of Bills players busted through the offensive line quickly and just completely overwhelmed Tannehill before he could even finish his drop. And what's worse, it was a four-man rush. He had no reason to suspect his line wouldn't even hold up long enough for him to finish his drop, because there were no blitzers. That one you put directly on the offensive line and it killed our chances of tying the game. Anyone trying to put that second sack on Tannehill is grasping at straws, IMO.

 

You mean Bucs..right we are talking about?

CK..you may have mentioned this already..but..IYO...if you had to put down an answer is the kid our franchise Qb?


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That's not an answer I can give you at this moment. Nor can anyone.

 

Where is this happening at? Certainly not here on this board, every sack this year was the OLines fault according to this board...

 

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Well..I suppose thats better then a difinitive NO.

Heres why I ask. Potentially..we may be looking at a new HC and GM next season. I wonder if coaches will look at RT and say..Thats a kid we can build around. I get the feeling that having a young potential franchise Qb makes you a desirable place to coach.

I get the sense that Jon Gruden would very much enjoy getting a chance to work with Tannehill. In his time away from coaching he has studied the NFL like a mad man. I think hes just waiting for the right moment. I cant see him doing the filmwork and breaking down that he does..just to be a TV analyst.

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This "pressure" you speak of exists on every single pass play. Especially every single pass play in which the defense is expecting you to probably pass the football. And in fact, a 2nd & 18 is usually a draw or screen in this league, even in the 2 minute situation they were in. They had two timeouts so the draw/screen was entirely possible.

Don't connect the second sack with the first sack. The connection isn't there. The first sack was an unnecessary sack taken by Tannehill during a difficult situation in which he's trying to keep his eyes up the field and eat up chunks of yards. And based on the coaches tape it wouldn't surprise me at all if one of his receivers missed a hot route adjustment he was supposed to make given the blitz from the linebackers (specifically, either Charles Clay or Mike Wallace). I'm not positive on that but it just looks like the only short option he had was Mike Wallace, who had Darrelle Revis squatting on his hitch. By the time Tannehill clicked over to try and find Rishard Matthews he had bodies on him.

The second sack was unrelated. They were asked to hold up against a four-man rush. That's not "pressure". That's doing their job. The entire right side of the line caved in, with Gerald McCoy beating the hell out of John Jerry and DaQuan Bowers beating the hell out of Tyson Clabo. And Bowers isn't exactly a star at this level despite how he looked in college.

The job the line did on second down was worse than the job Tannehill did on first down, and in a MUCH more costly situation.

 

people are letting Sherman off the hook on this one, and I don't know why. Why in the heck he spread everyone out like that without a back or TE for extra protection, or at least roll the pocket is beyond me. This is the third game now that we lost because of crappy obvious play calling at the end.