Oh I do agree that this year the "reasons" stop and execution has to start. Sometimes plays break down and good teams make something out of it. We need to start making something from nothing or we are dead in the water

 

There's really no reason to turn it into a black or white issue.If the team does not improve to an acceptable degree, the coaching staff will get fired and with due cause. Writing the whole thing off as a failure is pretty overly simplistic.

Even if you believe Tony Sparano and Co. are incapable of getting the team over the hump, they will have pretty undeniably been quite successful as "cleaners". If they are fired this offseason, they will have left a talented, well-stocked, fundamentally sound roster. Whomever theoretically inherits them, regardless of scheme or philosophy, will not have to engage in big rebuilding process or turnover. If you didn't think that this was the most probable outcome of hiring Bill Parcells, then you were fooling yourself. This is essentially what he has done his entire career, and what he will get into the Hall of Fame for as much as he will his tenure with the Giants.

 

All I know is last night what I was watching, it couldn't be more clear that one of those teams was a playoff team and the other wasn't. Take that however you will.

 

As a pretty anti-intellectual, knee-jerk reaction, then? I'm not sure how else you can take it.

The game that the Dolphins starting unit vs. the Falcons starting unit played last night was a 7-0 game. Taking it as the Dolphins getting steam-rolled, or however you want to do it is editorializing, and to an inappropriate degree.

 

After 1 preseason game coming out of a completely locked out offseason you have determined the fate of 2 teams, one of which was sitting 3 projected offensive starters including probably the best LT in the game and one being the top WR target. I will take that however I will..

 

Geez, next he'll be asking us to sign a contract for the prom...

 

Want to bet on it?

 

After I see a whole half out of what will be our starting offense, maybe.

 

Let's also take an oath that we will make use of:

http://www.thephins.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?86-SoapBox-Rants-forum

As that's what it's there for.

 

I have to agree with the OP.... this is the 4th season with this regime... fans expect Play Off type performance...

We also can see, that Ryan, had 1 of 5 passes completed and a 45 QBR... against the Starting D backfield...

This team will get over the hump once the Defense can protect against the pass... and I like what I saw from SS and VD last night against a talented Atlanta QB-WR corps... even though it was 5 passes attempted...

Our Offense will have a difficulty early part of the season, with the new scheme and packages, and it will be the Defense, IMHO, that will spearhead the turn around...

 

Why not right now? You claimed I can't possibly know after just seeing the one game. The odds are with you.

 

How exactly would the odds be with me betting on a team that went 7-9 last season against a team that went 13-3? What I am saying is we are yet to see what the additions to our offense and a full year of Marshall and Henne together will do. It's pretty arrogant to think after a couple of series together without 3 starters in the 1st preseason game you already know how the offense will be a few weeks from now. Our defense was **** before Nolan came in. It jumped up into the top 10 squads.

I'm not saying they don't have the potential to be a piece of **** again, I'm saying it's way to early to write them off for this season. Saying "You want to bet?" is a stupid argument.

 

I agree with just about everything, but our offensive line is far from built. We currently have a solid LT and then what? A rookie C who I hope pans out. A solid RT, now RG?, that could be fading, and then avg. Our line got man handled by ATL's ones. Outside of the #1 pick in the draft we have swung and missed with each OL pick. Pouncey to be determined, although he will most likely pan out. Again though, he was another 1st rounder, and when it comes to 1st rd lineman they usually stick around.

This is why I'm all for cleaning house. If your philosophy is to run, then i'd hope after 3 years you'd have at minimum a decent run game. The offense just looks sloppy, and has since Henne took over. And I believe this falls more on Sparano's shoulders than Henne's.

 

So...was it the 2nd string Atlanta team? No...wait...it was the 2nd string Miami team. No..wait...Was it the second string Atlanta team when they played the 3rd string Dolphins team>

no...wait....

Can I take this as an irrational, knee-jerk, whiny post?

One preseason game after 1 week of practice due to a lockout with a new OC...yeah...

 

I don't think he's trying to predict anything at this point.

What I think he's suggesting is that it's pretty ****ing stupid to predict anything at this point. If he were to "bet" you then he would be just like the pretty ****ing stupid people trying to predict something at this point.


*Edit: I shouldn't have used predict. I should have used "know" or "are certain" instead.

Carry on

 

So you think I'm wrong, but you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is.

 

OK then. So we've got another assessment saying it's unwise for me to offer this bet.

And yet nobody wants to take it.

Hmmm....

 

Let me put it this way.

Even if the Dolphins had come out and Henne threw 10 TD's, DT ran for 300 yards and the defense held the Falcons to 50 yards total...I still think only a stupid person would suggest that this was a "playoff team". And the opposite is also true.

 

And I agree with most of what YOU said, until the last part. Sparano can CALL the plays, although he doesnt in most cases, but Henne decides where to throw the ball and WHO to throw it to. He decides to throw it into dbl and triple coverage, NOT Sparano. Coaches can only do so much, and then the ball is SNAPPED.

I wanted to TRY not to post until after next game, but as the OP stated.......NO MORE EXCUSES. If you are a Henne supporter, he apparently does no wrong. Its NEVER his fault. If you are NOT a supporter, he does no wrong, but excuses are excuses. The FACTS ARE..........He threw 2 ints. and 1 TD. THAT........is BACKWARDS....To put it mildly.

My only problem, or my MAIN problem with Ireland, is his lack of upgrading the QB position, unless they let MOORE play. I am not saying he is an upgrade, but it would be an ATTEMPT at an upgrade. He can find talent, in most cases. I am ok with the drafts. But the lack of drafting a QB or trading for one, is now holding us back. There was NO REASON for not drafting Mallet. NONE. ........except for being scared to make a mistake.

OK....I am done with this.........again.

 

I think it's inconclusive at this point as to how our offense will turn out. Will the Falcons be good? Obviously.

You want me to bet hypothetical money that badly? You have no argument.

 

ck, bringing the anti-homer goods, par the course

 

Yup this my man. I am done with excuses, I was last year as well.....I dont want to hear it from the eternal ops and pess people on here....I want results, other teams are making it happen....that is all just "Make It Happen" as my Drill Sgt used to say....

 

No but it would have been encouraging to see, than that boooolsh$t I witnessed last night in the 1st qtr....answer me this question MPF, you think the 1st teamers were trying yesterday?

 

Name it.

 

I guess what I meant by that statement is that Sparano has yet to form any type of identity on offense. He wants to be a running team except they can't run. This has resulted in what I call a sloppy looking unit.

Now as far as Henne goes. I laugh at the 2nd INT people that even try and blame anyone. Regardless of what the coach said. That was as ugly as it gets and not only did he stare Bess down he lobbed a pass that had coverage both under and over the WR. That's typical Henne, and like usual he does it on our side of the 50. I will even go so far as to say the first INT was on Henne. Should it have been caught, yes, but regardless Fasano was heading towards the sidelines and had to turn back and try and catch a bullet that was behind him.

I'm far from a Henne believer, but since we didn't make a move to draft a QB early (which I'm with you on this), I'm glad they stuck with him. I'd rather they all fail together and clean house, then to bring in Orton and maybe make a playoff push only to get taken out in the wildcard and continue this never ending mediocre play.

 

Who tried to blame the 2nd INT on anyone buy Henne?

 

I used to post on BZ, but haven't posted on a Bills' site in probably 5 years. I stick to here, TGG, and sometimes FH (although I got banned there yesterday by the gestapo). Same with basketball, I don't post on my team's boards.

 

I wouldn't say that they were trying to lose. But without Long, Marshall, or a game plan they were basically playing backyard football. Did you notice the players pulling up sometimes? I laugh at the guys who made fun of Carpenter for not booting it out of the endzone too. Why should he risk pulling something? The guys who know they have their jobs played 75% last night. It was clear. Was that 2nd INT by Henne bad? Yes. However, do you want to see the same types of throws made by every other QB in the league during preseason, regular season or post season? Hell, remember that pick Brady threw last year against the Jets in the playoffs? Similar throw...

[video=youtube;0b-_F6HNlCI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b-_F6HNlCI[/video]

 

I'll give it a look...but if this is a ploy to get rid of me, it won't work :chuckle:

 

No more excuses, no more rationalizations, no more blaming the fans when they simply recognize something that's worng with the team, its coaching or its front office.

Sounds right to me.

BTW, a couple of you regulars are showing your *** here and the Bills' fan is showing you up. Mensch up.

 

Just read through other threads on here. There have been multiple posters blaming the WR route as well as quoting the coach as saying it was the wrong route.