Lombardi analyzes the situation..The meaning of he rookie wall.
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djphinfansubscriberOP"When a rookie starts at quarterback, defensive coaches have to prepare for anything and everything. But after five games the rookie signal-caller's strengths and weaknesses become crystal clear on the game tape. What throws he likes to throw, what part of the field he likes to target, how he reacts to the speed of the game, how he handles pressure and how he performs under pressure. Because most rookies are limited in terms of the volume of offense at their disposal, defensive coordinators can get a good read on the young passer and take away what he does best. This cat-and-mouse game is much like a rookie basketball player who loves to go to his right all the time; naturally, the defense learns to force him left. How does he respond? Better question: Can he respond?
He is starting to excel at throwing interceptions at the end of games.
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MonstBlitzforum_veteranTranslation: The GM needs to build a better team around him.
emocomputerjockNew Member"MonstBlitz wrote:
Translation: The GM needs to build a better team around him.
Inception-level translation: the team needs to fire its current GM and hire me to build a better replacement around THill.
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Fin Fan In Caliluxury_box"mommabilly wrote:
He is starting to excel at throwing interceptions at the end of games.
Bro you could say the same of veteran Phillip Rivers.
Rest in peace bigbry and dolphin debby!
shourightNew Member"MonstBlitz wrote:
Translation: The GM needs to build a better team around him.
If you studied the performance of rookie QBs, you'd find that the overwhelming majority of them play at the average NFL level or poorer, regardless of whom they have around them, and there is no reason to believe Ryan Tannehill would be bucking that trend if his surrounding cast was different.
As much as we'd like to believe so in order to confirm our own personal viewpoints, Jeff Ireland and the talent of the roster don't explain everything there is about the team.
djphinfansubscriber"Fin Fan In Cali wrote:
Bro you could say the same of veteran Phillip Rivers.
Had that dude pegged three years ago, said he would turn into what he is today, and why his weaknesses would eventually get exposed...nobody thought I had justification.
"djphinfan wrote:
Had that dude pegged three years ago, said he would turn into what he is today, and why his weaknesses would eventually get exposed...nobody thought I had justification.
You don't. He has an 89 QBR at the moment. It's only going to rise.
djphinfansubscriber"Anonymous wrote:
You don't. He has an 89 QBR at the moment. It's only going to rise.
the argument commensed because of the level you all were putting him at..which he clearly did not deserve..and clearly you were wrong about his future, it's gone downhill in case you haven't noticed
vt_dolfansubscriberMaybe its just me...but Im just as high on Tannehill that I was before. Hes a rookie.....this **** happens.....Im not loosing an ounce of confidence in him...
"The more difficult the victory, the greater the happiness in winning"
Pele
padre31luxury_box"vt_dolfan wrote:
Maybe its just me...but Im just as high on Tannehill that I was before. Hes a rookie.....this **** happens.....Im not loosing an ounce of confidence in him...
And season is not over just yet, I thought if we started MMoore we'd possibly make the playoffs, with Tannehill we simply are not going to win a lot this yr, BUT, if we show promise and have a raft of high draft picks the season is not lost.
"djphinfan wrote:
the argument commensed because of the level you all were putting him at..which he clearly did not deserve..and clearly you were wrong about his future, it's gone downhill in case you haven't noticed
And it's rising back up, in case you haven't noticed.
Besides, you weren't saying he's going to decline. Even when he was putting up numbers very few QBS were putting up, you were saying he's overrated. Based on his throwing motion. There was no justification in that.
Fin Fan In Caliluxury_box"djphinfan wrote:
Had that dude pegged three years ago, said he would turn into what he is today, and why his weaknesses would eventually get exposed...nobody thought I had justification.
I hope all is well with you Brother DJ!
Rest in peace bigbry and dolphin debby!
smahtazforum_veteran"padre31 wrote:
And season is not over just yet, I thought if we started MMoore we'd possibly make the playoffs, with Tannehill we simply are not going to win a lot this yr, BUT, if we show promise and have a raft of high draft picks the season is not lost.
After watching the preseason I would not have been surprised if MMoore was flat out cut. Pat Devlin looked much better. After watching the 2nd Jest game I had a very different opinion. Apparently, he couldn't pick up the new offense fast enough to beat out the rookie but is now the best QB on the team.
Interesting dilemma for sure.
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. ~ John Wooden
padre31luxury_box"smahtaz wrote:
After watching the preseason I would not have been surprised if MMoore was flat out cut. Pat Devlin looked much better. After watching the 2nd Jest game I had a very different opinion. Apparently, he couldn't pick up the new offense fast enough to beat out the rookie but is now the best QB on the team.
Interesting dilemma for sure.
True, and tbh, this demoralizes the Vets, they know MMoore can win games, but they won't play him.
This is one of the problems with a transition season, Sparano's guys will be gone by next yr, and Philbin's choices will populate the roster imo.
shourightNew MemberWe'll have to see if Andrew Luck, RG3, and Russell Wilson hit any "rookie walls." RG3 threw four TDs today and had a QB rating of 158 and a YPA over 13. He might just run through that wall.
emocomputerjockNew Member"shouright wrote:
We'll have to see if Andrew Luck, RG3, and Russell Wilson hit any "rookie walls." RG3 threw four TDs today and had a QB rating of 158 and a YPA over 13. He might just run through that wall.
I don't think it's a coincidence that both Weeden and Tannehill are the least productive of the rookie QB class, considering what they both have to work with.
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2socksforum_veteranBut this is his 3rd year in this style offense. Using that theory would doom any QB. I believe it is tried. However, coaches work extremely hard at hiding tendencies. I believe it is part of it but maybe only 10-15%. It is also personel and inability to read defenses and the disguise. Marino was a master and quick study at defenses maybe it's time to give him a call in the off season.
"djphinfan wrote:
"When a rookie starts at quarterback, defensive coaches have to prepare for anything and everything. But after five games the rookie signal-caller's strengths and weaknesses become crystal clear on the game tape. What throws he likes to throw, what part of the field he likes to target, how he reacts to the speed of the game, how he handles pressure and how he performs under pressure. Because most rookies are limited in terms of the volume of offense at their disposal, defensive coordinators can get a good read on the young passer and take away what he does best. This cat-and-mouse game is much like a rookie basketball player who loves to go to his right all the time; naturally, the defense learns to force him left. How does he respond? Better question: Can he respond?
Winning isn't everything - it's the only thing
In Our Business there is no second place
Either your first or your last
Vince Lombardi
shourightNew Member"emocomputerjock wrote:
I don't think it's a coincidence that both Weeden and Tannehill are the least productive of the rookie QB class, considering what they both have to work with.
But yet Chad Pennington had less to work with in 2008, he had a 97 QB rating, and the team went 11-5 and made the playoffs.
emocomputerjockNew Member"shouright wrote:
But yet Chad Pennington had less to work with in 2008, he had a 97 QB rating, and the team went 11-5 and made the playoffs.
I saw that thread. I disagree that Pennington had less to work with. I think the line, TEs, and running backs were all better. I'll agree to disagree with you if you don't think so. Also, I think Pennington was by far a better QB than Tannehill.
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shourightNew Member"emocomputerjock wrote:
I saw that thread. I disagree that Pennington had less to work with. I think the line, TEs, and running backs were all better. I'll agree to disagree with you if you don't think so. Also, I think Pennington was by far a better QB than Tannehill.
Regardless, he didn't have 27 QB rating points and 4.6 wins (projected) more to work with. It's not like the offense was teeming with talent compared to this one. Hell, the starting receivers, which is what everybody whines about here, were Ted Ginn and Greg Camarillo.
emocomputerjockNew Member"shouright wrote:
Regardless, he didn't have 27 QB rating points and 4.6 wins (projected) more to work with. It's not like the offense was teeming with talent compared to this one. Hell, the starting receivers, which is what everybody whines about here, were Ted Ginn and Greg Camarillo.
The WRs were bad. TEs, on the other hand, accounted for 11 of his 19 TDs. Well be lucky to get 11 passing TDs this year combined.
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"emocomputerjock wrote:
I don't think it's a coincidence that both Weeden and Tannehill are the least productive of the rookie QB class, considering what they both have to work with.
Luck and RGIII were also universally considered more talented than Weeden and Tannehill. That's why they were drafted higher. Greater talent is a more-than-adequate explanation for superior play. Wilson has surprised a lot of people, though.
Clark Kentforum_veteran"shouright wrote:
Regardless, he didn't have 27 QB rating points and 4.6 wins (projected) more to work with. It's not like the offense was teeming with talent compared to this one. Hell, the starting receivers, which is what everybody whines about here, were Ted Ginn and Greg Camarillo.
lulz @ comparing Chad Pennington to Tannehill. Seems legit.
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