details?

EDIT: Ok now the link is there...thanks!

Seems to back up what several other guys in the locker room are saying

 

Solid article, echoes much of what the board here has started to believe. My only issue is with, Doesn't have a dog in this race...Went to college with Incognito. Thought that was a bad look for him as a writer.

 

Wow. This is earth shattering stuff. Its waaaay too long for me to post tid bits on my phone. But holy **** this is a must read.

 

Was just about to post this also. Of all the things I've read regarding this matter this was , for me, the most insightful by far. Pretty much all I need to know now as this article paints a very clear picture by someone who was there .

 

Interesting

 

The same as has been reported all week. Martin was wrong and Ritchie isn't a racist.

 

At first I thought that also but he really doesnt make Incognito out to be an angel by no means.

 

At least there is a little more light on this situation.

 

Sure paints a different picture of the Las Vegas "extortion."

 

Basically Murtha says there is an equal amount of blame to pass around.

 

Conjecture or ruh roh?

 

At this point the two biggest issues of "hazing/bullying" the Vegas Trip and the VMs, have been thoroughly debunked.

 

Listening to Lydon live on the FAN, great insight to what's going on. Said Richie would be the last guy to give him a hard time, he was Martins closest friend on the team.

 

Of course that's what you take away from that article.

 

Lol...

Funny how that $15,000 dollar story seems a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT....when you actually know the truth.

If anyone doesnt think this is nothing but a money play by Martin and his Agent and parents, your crazy. All of this...ALL OF THIS...never should have happened.

But you know what I took from this....

Heres a guy from day one that wouldnt look the other players in the eye. How does this get missed when you evaluate him before drafting him. THAT part lies on Ireland.

 

I do not see that at all.

Yup, no meat on the bones. The more I read the more I think Ricky nailed this from the start.

 

Good read ...sadly this is the part nobody outside of Dolphins land will hear or remember haha

 

This is the part that is revealing to me.

Murtha defends Cogs and the culture but at the same time confirms that the coaches probably knew about everything that went on.Did Philbin know ? I hope so because otherwise he was out of touch with his team.

IMO he did know because he is a micro manager by nature.

If anything this incident will lead to measures by the NFL that will restrict this kind of behaviour .I am not sure that I like that because it will sissify the sport and lead to too many lawsuits IMO.

 

After going back and re-reading the article, I respectfully disagree.

 

It doesn't have to be respectful :wink2:

 

If I'm not mistaken Philbin said they knew nothing about a problem or bullying. That's different than normal hazing. Was that Murtha's jab at the organization and coaching staff? That part could've been left out by him. He knows the difference.

 

One cannot really judge how a person will react when the cleats hit the playing field. Maybe Martin is better in particular settings? Maybe he is a tad on the socially awkward side?

I have personally stood side-by-side by fellow students who did exceptionally well in class, but fold under the pressure in real life situations. Not that what I do and what Martin do have much similarity, but people act differently under different lights.

In defense of Ireland, you are drafting an intelligent individual who held down Andrew Luck's blindside for a few years. Martin elected to come out of school early. From Ireland's side, you get a kid who would have probably been a first rounder had he stayed at Stanford a year early for a second round pick. Maybe he is not as physically ready as you would like, but you have to believe in the sytem that is run within the organization. Ireland does not know Jake Long's long-term status with the team given his contract and injury history. You think that this kid will wait for a year under Long, and if Long leaves, you have a suitable player to step in. Maybe not up to Long's speed, but someone you think could be solid enough until he gets a few stripes.

I do not blame Ireland for this acquisition whatsoever. By ALL accounts, Martin looked stronger, and faster coming into this season. This would have been his true rookie year, and probably still has some physical growing ahead. Looks good for the team given Long's departure. Gives the team the ability to move up this year in the draft and not pinpoint LT as their first choice. From a personnel standpoint, this totally makes sense to me, and gave Ireland the chance to roll the dice on Dion Jordan.

No one could have predicted this craziness going down like it did. But we are dealing with the human element here, and I think it is unfortunate that heads may roll because of it....

 

He said that the coaches knew what was going on. Maybe it's time for you to update your prescription eyeglasses.

 

he said the coaches knew that hazing was going on...no coach has ever said otherwise. Philbin said Martin never told him he had a problem with Cogs.

Maybe you need to update your reading comprehension.

 

"The coaches know everything. They know who is getting picked on."

 

Jesus man.

That does not conflict with anything Philbin said. They knew what was going on, that doesn't mean they knew who had a problem with it.

Drop your narrative for one second and use some logic.

 

Martin goes to OTAs, has a discussion with Philbin about his desire to play the game (speculation to the contents of the conversation). Coaches (unnamed) order Incognito to toughen Martin up. Judging by Murtha's statement, Philbin knew who was being picked on (the main conflict). Philbin then goes on to say Martin never came to him with problems about Incognito.

Now what is true and what isn't?

 

Doesn't have a dog in this fight? He went to college with Incognito and is good friends with him to this day.

He speaks to locker room and in house interactions between the two when he was cut before Martin played his first regular season game, so there's no way he can have first hand knowledge of these things. Someone only trying to speak "the truth" should not be using something his friend on the team told him as his evidence.

This seems more like a character assassination article than anything.

 

Murtha did not say Philbin knew Martin was being picked on.

Again, Philbin knew the events were happening. The issue is how the events are classified.

The staff and the players all thought the actions were harmless hazing/pranking. The martin camp is calling the same events bullying.

Philbin never said he didn't know the events were happening, he said martin never told him he had a problem with them. If Martin never lets on the events were bothering him, then no one involved would think those events were bullying and they would just consider them pranking/hazing.

 

I am wondering the validity of this. Would it be so bad for a coach to suggest this anyway?

This is the philosophical quandary. Is this a big no no, or is this acceptable in NFL circles? I am gathering this is not uncommon, but maybe because there were no lines drawn in the sand regarding the extent of this "toughening up", the problems stem from it?

I am really confused with this....

 

This whole ordeal has become a philosophical and sociological debate at the expense of the Dolphins, and the facts.

 

I guess it depends on what was said.

I think we're left to jump to a lot of conclusions with the limited information coming out... this is by design IMO. Why are pieces to the puzzle being leaked out but we're only given half the piece? That leaves the media to drive a narrative.

I work for an NBC affiliate and they've been pushing the bullying topic very hard the past few months.

What is the narrative driving this story again?

Bullying.

 

This is a great article. Martin is a ***** and I'd love to see cogs back on the team.

 

Pretty damning to the Coaches on this article....IF there was and can be proven factually that racial/bullying exist....

I am going with my gut on this one though.

IF there was any hazing or racist slurs being tossed around making people uncomfortable AND Philbin knew it, it would end.....Philbin didn't condone Ocho swearing nevermind THIS....

I believe Philbin's knowledge was of "the players are going to razzle and get Martin out of his shell" spark a fire under him so to speak....

This thing is such a non-story other than Martin is pulling an A-Rod and wants a payday to go away....

 

The issue is what is acceptable in NFL circles vs what is acceptable in a billion dollar business ,lawyers don't see that line.

 

The NFL is both of those.

 

Greenberg was reading straight from it on Mike & Mike this morning.

 

I'll tell you exactly what coaches do, or at least the majority of football coaches.

If they have a player they do not think can play or don't particularly like, they are going to RIDE that player to the point that he either breaks out and plays well or he breaks and quits. Those of you who have never played may not want to believe that, but it is a fact. Nick Saban did it to Manuel Wright, who sobbed his way off the field.

 

This was my comment....which you just reiterated in your above post.....

As far as lumping me as "one of you that never played before" dont speak for me.....I dont need you too Mr. I Tell Ya How It Is Guy....psst....gtfo